Hagrid the Gamekeeper AND Re: I Don't See a Problem with Ogg

[Steve <bboy_mn@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 50069

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak <pipdowns at e...>"
<pipdowns at e...> wrote:
 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve <bboy_mn at y...>" 
> <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > Okay, nobody else is posting so, let me ask a few question about 
> > OGG - the GroundKeeper as his  mention in the book relates to 
> > Arther and Molly's age. 
> > 
> > Frankly, I never saw any controversy here. ...edited...
> > - - - - - - - - 

> PIP:
>
> No, no, no, no, NO!
> This is one of the rare occasions where the Lexicon has just plain 
> got it wrong. 
> 
> ...big edit... 
>
> Hagrid does not have a soft, easy job that he could have just walked 
> into at 13. 
> 
> 
> Anyway, moving on to the 'Molly and Arthur's ages' problem:
> Bboy: (Pip Quotes Me)
> > I don't see any reason to think that Arther and Molly couldn't
> > have been in their Senior year of school or perhaps just out of 
> > school when Hagrid was expelled. 
> 
> >Pip quotes Kaesa:
> Couldn't Ogg have been still training him when they went to school?
> 
> Pip:
>
> ...edited...
> 
> If you assume Hagrid replaced Ogg at 20, when Molly was in her 7th 
> year, then Molly would be 17/18 + 45 or 62, 63 in GoF.
> -end Pip-this part-

bboy_mn replies:
Thank you very much. 

We can make Molly older or younger than Hagrid. If we go with younger,
then I think Molly (and Arthur) could be 2 to 5 years younger than
Hagrid. It's possible, if Ogg wasn't too keen on retiring that
Hagrid's training period went on for 10 years, but after a certain
number of years Hagrid's presents would have become more prominent,
and it would have been unusual for Molly to mention Ogg without
mentioning Hagrid. 

So I concluded, if we assume Molly is younger than Hagrid, that her
memories of Ogg would have had to have been early in Hagrid's training
period. So it would be during the first 2 years of a five year
training at which time Hagrid would be 18. Or the first 5 years of a
ten year training period (Hagrid at 23). That's how I reached the
conclusion that Molly was 2 to 5 years younger than Hagrid. 

In CoS Hagrid is 63 (13 + 50), when Molly speaks of Ogg on GoF, Hagrid
is 65. So, 2 to 5 years younger than Hagrid, would make Molly between
60 and 63 during GoF. The same conclusion you reached. That would mean
Molly had Bill when she was 30 to 33, and she had Ginny when she was
between 47 and 50. All quite possible given that a 50 year old witch
has the vitality of someone in their 20's. And once again, we agree on
Molly's age. 
-bboy_mn-end this part-


> Pip continues:
> ...edited...
> 
> The only problem with this scenario is that Molly and Arthur *would* 
> have been at school with Tom Riddle, and there's nothing in canon 
> that implies that.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> If Molly entered school the year *after* Tom Riddle graduated, she'd 
> have never met Riddle, but the gamekeeper would still have been Ogg, 
> as Hagrid would still be only two years or so into his training.
> 
> Pip!Squeak

bboy_mn:
I have no problem with Riddle and Molly being in school together. If
there was an overlap, Riddle would have been an upperclassman in a
different house. So they would have had little or no interaction with
each other. We do not see Harry/Ron/Hermione interacting that much
with upper and lower classmates. Harry's main association with older
students is through Quidditch and the Weasleys. His interaction with
younger classmates seems limited to Colin. We must also keep in mind
that not very many people know that the brilliant handsome Riddle is
really the nasty snake-like Voldemort.

In my original analysis, I chose to make Molly older than Hagrid, and
I stand by that analysis, and see it as viable. But I think more
people would try to find a way to reconcile the problem while making
Molly younger. So, I'm fine with that analysis too. 

Let's factor McGonagall into the equation. In GoF, Molly is 60 to 63,
and McGonagall (according to the Lexicon timeline) would be 75. That
would mean they did not go to school together and would explain why
they don't seem more familiar with each other. 

In conclusion, having analysed it from two different perspectives, I
still see no problem with Ogg, and I have no problem seeing Molly and
Arthur in their 60's. Certainly, Molly being between 60 and 70 makes
more sense a two fractured timelines overlaping.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

bboy_mn