[HPforGrownups] Re: SHIP: Re: Banter and other SHIP subjects

[Susanne]

No: HPFGUIDX 50989



Hi,

first, sorry for the late answer!
RL took over and I lost track of the discussion.


Monday, January 27, 2003, 11:59:00 AM, Penny wrote:

> We aren't arguing that there are *no* positive R/H
> interactions.  We're not arguing that they aren't friends or are only
> remaining friends because of Harry or something of that nature.

I'm not sure who you refer to when you use "we", but in many
forums (not sure about this list. I'd have to go back and
check through many posts, which I'll probably never do <g>)
this is exactly what is used as arguments (by some).

"Ron and Hermione always fight!"

"They hate each other!"

"If it wasn't for Harry, they'd never have become friends
in the first place."

"They are only still friends for Harry's sake."
(the last two I'm almost sure I've seen on this list not too
long ago)

So, it's not all that surprising that these often used
arguments creep into the discussion, even if you haven't
used them personally.
Especially when people use "we" and speak for a group of
people, instead of just giving their own opinion.

It happens the other way around, too (R/H generalizations).
:)


>  We're
> just saying that there are some strong indicators through JKR's word
> choice that the bickering/bantering and arguments between Ron and
> Hermione are not all fun and games.  There's a decided negativity to
> the word choice she's employed in many cases and pointing up all the
> positive interactions isn't going to cancel out that negativity.  I
> think it's JKR signaling that there is a problem in how they interact
> at present.

I guess, if this is the case, similar problems exist between
Harry and Hermione, since negative word choices are used for
part of their interactions, too.

And in Harry's thoughts...
For example, he thinks of her shrill and panicky voice at
the beginning of GoF and a little later on:"Mrs. Weasley would fuss
worse than Hermione..." (which many of us might see as one
of Hermione's positive traits, but Harry clearly does not).

We have words like sternly, sharply, impatiently, snapped,
shrilly, grumpily, hissed used for Hermione (talking to
Harry, all from GoF) , with angrily, stubbornly, wearily
from Harry (talking to Hermione, all from GoF).

So, negative word choice is not limited to just Ron and
Hermione talking.

There is less of it, because Harry doesn't rise to the
occasion the way Ron does.
IMO,Different personalities, and
one thing I didn't ever consciously notice before:
Ron and Hermione have way more direct conversation than
Harry and Hermione do, even in GoF, where Harry spends more
time than normal with Hermione alone.

Hermione's talk gets associated with negative word choices a
lot more often (and not just to Ron and Harry), which I
think comes from her bristly personality.


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Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net