[HPforGrownups] OOP: Snape is still BAD

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No: HPFGUIDX 66686

In a message dated 7/1/03 12:20:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
magicroxx at yahoo.com writes:
> Okay, there seems to be a lot of Snape lovers out there, and I 
> certainly can see the point to which you feel sorry for him. I have 
> read the book 3 times now and I think I dislike him even more. I mean 
> to have gone through something so horrible, to live a life so 
> terrible and then to add to the misery of someone who's life is so 
> much worse than yours. Think about Snape in terms of Harry, what 
> justifications does he have then? NONE.
> 
Oryomai:
Ah...my favorite debate topic: Snape!  You know what?  Snape's not a nice 
guy.  *stares and waits for someone to be shocked*  It's established.  With 
Snape's disposition, temperament, and personality, it seems perfectly natural to 
him to cause other people pain.  I'm not saying it's right.  I'm not saying it's 
wrong.  I'm saying it's who Snape is.  Let the flames for that little message 
there.

> Snape lived a miserable life, he had a horrible childhood with an 
> abusive father. He was a loner at school and nobody really liked him. 
> (I don't think it was just because he 'existed'. I can think of a few 
> good reasons, one being that he called Lily a mudblood. He didn't 
> say "I don't want help from a girl" he said MUDBLOOD. What a horrible 
> thing to say!! (think about that situation and someone using the 
> **N** word)

Oryomai:
I might just be crazy, but go with me here.  Words can only hurt if you let 
them.  If every time someone called me a bitch or an ass (or other things that 
I can't post here) I got upset, it wouldn't be worth it.  Words are just 
words.  It's what people make them mean.  Now that that tirade is over: I'm sure 
the fact that no one liked Snape made him wanna be nice to everyone.  Note the 
sarcasm.  When people don't like you, most people become rather mean.  I know.  
I went through six years of that.  Maybe Snape thought that Lily wouldn't 
care what he said since she didn't like him to begin with (and she didn't react 
that insanely, did she?).


> Harry never knew his parents and yes I think this may be better than 
> Snape's childhood. Snape however didn't grow up with the Dursleys. Do 
> you know how big a cupboard under the stairs is? Being chased up a 
> tree. We all know the points where Harry's life has been miserable. 
> Yes, he is still kool, yes he is famous. You would think though, that 
> we would have seen a Harry that maybe hates muggles for the way he 
> was treated, or some other serious downfall, but we don't. 
> 
> Also, its not like Snape doesn't know all this, he saw harry's 
> memories. Their lives were both horrible and never does Snape ever 
> say "Gee, I guess this kid's life isn't all peachy" Instead he clings 
> to his petty childhood hatred. He never seperates James from Harry 
> and he is completely oblivious to the way he effects people. He has a 
> completely WARPED sense of morality. I am sure Snape has done some 
> terrible things and we can only begin to imagine.

Oryomai:
It may be warped to you, but it's his sense of morality.  Morality is 
different to everyone.  Sirius cannot seperate James and Harry at times - is that 
okay?  If so, why?  Cause he's Sirius Black and Severus is Snape?  That's a 
double standard there...  You can't judge other people's emotions.  I've said this 
before and I'll say it again.  No one else has the right to decide what's 
petty if it doesn't involve them.  Snape's anger might be petty, but until we know 
the whole story about their school days, we'll never know.  I happen to think 
Hermione can have a bit of a warped sense of morality, but we won't get into 
that.  You think he's oblivious?  I think he knows damn well what he does to 
people.  Again, not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong.  It's how it is.  
Asi es la vida.


> Most IMPORTANTLY though, in the webcast interview, JK says that all 
> the people who like Snape and Draco are scary. (well not exactly, I 
> am paraphrasing) BUT, she says the reason Snape never got the DADA 
> job was because Dumbledore thought it would bring out the worst in 
> him. She said, don't feel too sorry for Snape, he is definitely worth 
> keeping your eyes on.
Oryomai:
So we're scary?  Thanks for that vote of support...way to be nice there.  I 
take that very personally.  *Too* sorry also means, to me, that you can feel 
sorry for him.  I'm sure he fought back.  I would be shocked if he didn't.  He's 
always worth keeping your eyes one.

A final thought: How did you prove Snape is "bad", huh?  I didn't really see 
it anywhere...

~*~*~Oryomai~*~*~
--Who is sure she offended someone in this post but quite frankly doesn't 
give a damn - she's a "scary" Snape fan, remember?


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