No: HPFGUIDX 67121 --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, B Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: One thing we do know about Winky and can infer about house elves. Her mother and her mother's mother served the Crouch family. Apparently that is an honorable thing because Winky's dismissal was a devastation to her. Jennifer