SHIP -- Tolerance (Was Draco+Hermione? Not.)

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 67578

> Amura: 
> > 
> > Snape called Lily something along the line too...we will see if 
later on a Snape/Lily ship is confirmed in the canon. ;)
> 
> 
> Darrin retorted: That's hardly the way to strengten your case, by 
comparing how Draco treats Hermione to how Snape treated Lily, 
considering that there isn't one shred of canon to support Snape-Lily.
> 
> So, we have wishful thinking being used to support more wishful 
thinking.
> 


Penny: 

> I'm no D/H shipper, though I can see the pre-OOP arguments and I'll 
be interested to see if any post-OOP arguments are made.  However, I 
really think it's offensive to dismiss someone's opinions (with 
regard to SHIPs or anything else) as mere "wishful thinking."  This 
is a literary discussion group, and opinions expressed herein are by 
their very nature subjective.  Scott was entitled to expresss his 
original opinion, however much I might disagree with it.  Amura used 
canon to refute Scott's opinion.

No she didn't. She said "we'll see if Snape-Lily is confirmed in 
canon" which is WISHING FOR FURTHER CONFIRMATION IN CANON. 
Furthermore, that wish for confirmation of Lily was used as a reason 
Draco-Hermione could be possible.

Wishing for further confirmation is otherwise known as wishful 
thinking. 

> Amura: > Notice that everyone read the book differently. What you 
see as a > reference may be just another bluff in other's eyes. 
> 
> Darrin: <<<<<Uh-huh, and maybe Crabbe secretly loves Hermione too. 
After all, he snickered at Draco's taunts.  C'mon, let's start a 
Crabbe-Hermione ship.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> This level of sarcasm is again uncalled-for, IMHO.  Again, this is 
a literary discussion list, and opinions will vary widely.  Amura's 
point is completely valid. 

And so is mine. Crabbe-Hermione is just as valid as Draco-Hermione. 
For that matter, Pansy-Hermione is valid, because Pansy could be 
covering up her desires with taunts. 

When that is your "evidence," that taunts are covers for lusts, then 
all kinds of ship possibilities occur. And pointing out the extremes 
of those possibilities is not sarcasm, but a valid debating technique 
used to weaken the central possibility.

So, Crabbe-Hermione, Goyle-Hermione, Pansy-Harry, Pansy-Neville, 
Pansy-Hermione, Pansy-Cho, Draco-Ron, Lavender-Hagrid, etc... are all 
valid under this evidence. Why is Draco-Hermione any more valid? I 
don't see it in canon.

Could it be fanfic poisoning? Perish the thought.

>But, it's just not good form to dismiss other people's canon-based 
>arguments with a sarcastic reference to "wishful thinking."  Amura 
is right: what is "wishful thinking" in your opinion will be 
completely plausible to someone else.  

I don't respond to canon-based arguments in that fashion. 

Darrin
-- I am not advocating any of the relationships I mentioned, mainly 
because Pansy makes me ill.