the second gunman theory renamed GROUNDHOG DAY

[sevenhundredandthirteen]

No: HPFGUIDX 67993

stlcole

> I just realized the best way to frame the 'time travel' theory side 
> of my arguement .. the movie Groundhog's Day ..


me:

Not to be a pain or anything, but in the movie 'Groundhog Day' at 
every successive time-loop, regardless of what Bill Murry's character 
has been doing, he always winds up in bed with his alarm going off, 
correct?? Even if he ended up in jail, or run over by a train??? So, 
it follows that he doesn't even have to be alive for the time-loop to 
work. By that I mean- he is not transported in whatever state he was 
in back into the time-loop. The only injury he keeps with him is his 
memory. Essentially, Bill Murry's life gets rewound, and then played 
again (and he still has the memory of it). This is different from 
Harry Potter, because Harry and Hermione don't get rewound and played 
again, except with their memories intact. There become *two* of them 
at the same time. If Harry and Hermione followed the 'Groundhog Day' 
time-travel theory, then they would have gone back to the exact start 
of the time-loop- they would have found themselves under the 
invisibility cloak with Rom sneaking down to Hagrids (Just the same 
as Bill Murray finds himself in bed) except with the knowledge of 
what will happen. 

(and, I should note, in order to put things right in this kind of 
time-travel you can keep experimenting 'til you get it right- that 
is, there are no consequences of your actions because you can just 
keep undoing them. In other words, if this was the time-travel in 
PoA, Harry and Hermione would have just had to catch Scabbers [even 
if it took them 50 times to do it] and them Sirius would have been 
safe. They needn't even go into the Shreking Shack at all... the 
difference with multi-dimensional time-travel and singular time-
travel is that you have to keep things goig according to plan or else 
you could face disaster...)

So, I know I'm being such a pain, but 'Groundhog Day' doesn't even 
comply with the whole multi-dimensional time-travelling theory. If it 
did, then Bill Murry would be taken back to his bed (the start of the 
loop) and would still have whatever injuries he had sustained. Not to 
mention the fact that there would alrady be another Bill Murry in the 
bed about to wake up. And every time the loop repeated there would 
continue to be more and more of them running around- he would go back 
to a parallel dimension which was a copy of the one her was just in.

So, sorry ;-) I know I'm just being a pain here, but 'Groundhog Day' 
doesn't work with your theory. 'Groundhog Day' is like the rewind 
button on your VCR. A movie which you could refer to would be 'Back 
to The Future' which uses multi-dimensional time-travel effectively.


> please don't overlook what I'll call the intuitive part of my 
> argument either:
> 
> 1) i don't like the current PoA explanation of Harry saving Harry
> 2) there is enough ambiguity that other explanations are possible
> 3) other possible explanations could be important plot twists / 
> revelations, so logically, since the story isn't fully turned yet, 
> it will get turned further

Okay, fair enough!! Those are all your opinions and I'm definitely 
not going to take them away from you!!

I will agree that a multi-dimensional time paradox does open up many 
more doors for devestating plot twists, but it would also negate what 
we have already seen, IMO.

~<(Laurasia)>~