Scar doesn't cut it as H=V

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 70692

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "acoteucla" <acoteucla at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "amanitamuscaria1" 
> <saraandra at w...> wrote:
> > Why should Harry's scar make him Voldemort's chosen one? 
> 


> Acoteucla:
>
> ... LV ... decided that Harry was the one to fear, and  Neville was 
> just some bimbo.  So at this point, LV has already chosen. He
> thinks that Harry has the power to be his equal, not Neville. The 
> scar is the "mark" which shows that LV chose Harry.

bboy_mn:

Others have speculated that Voldemort might just as easily have been
working his way down a list of 100 kids he wanted to kill. Even if we
forget about the 100's of kids who may have been targeted, and focus
on Harry and Neville, it's just by random chance that Harry was
first... or was he the first?

There are too many unknows to this theory; too much that has to be
made up. Yes, maybe he had a list, but maybe LV killed 11 and Harry
was the 12th; that would lend strength to Harry being the ONE, but we
simply don't have enough backstory or cannon to make this assertion. 

What we do know is that Voldemort had been after the Potters,
otherwise the Potters would not have had to go into hiding. The search
for the Potters had to be above and beyond the normal attacks that
were occurring in the wizard world. Certainly, no one was safe, and
certainly no one in the Order was safe, but not everyone went into
hiding to the extent that the Potters did. This implies that there was
some unique significants to LV chasing the Potters. 

So basically, I'm not buying the random chance theory. I can see it as
possible, but I can't see it as likely.

Having said all that, let me turn things around. 

One can logically conclude that in weighing the merits of Harry and
Neville, Voldemort chose Harry as the one he feared, the one who would
be his equal and have the power to 'vanquish' Voldemort. In choosing
and trying to kill Harry, he failed and left a mark, a scar, that
designated and would seem to confirm that indeed Harry is the ONE.

But let's look at time frames in the prophecy. The beginning and end
text of the prophecy are clear in their time frame, in the next coming
7th month (July) as it ends, the ONE will be born. First, we only
assume it is the next up-coming month of July; one could speculate
that it is July five years later, but that just confuses the issue.
For now, we accept it the next upcoming July.

The prophecy actually make 4 separate statements. The first,
identifies the month and specific charateristics of the ONE. Now we
move to a completely different aspect of the prophecy, and that is the
Dark Lord will mark him as an equal. That statement is a new aspect
and is not necessarily tied to the time frame of the first segement.
We speculate but can't reasonably confirm that 'mark as an equal' also
refers to the month of July.

The point? Harry has A mark, but we don't know for a fact the he has
THE mark. Neville and Voldemort could both have snake shaped birth
marks that if Voldemort had known about or if he finds out about,
would have lead him to conclude that He and Neville were marked as
equals. That's not a canon fact, but it shows other ways in which the
true ONE might be marked, and marked in a different time frame.

This above idea also delves into the possibility that the mark is not
a mark at all. In the Neville birthmark example, Voldemort marks him
as an equal by stating a conclusion. Another definision of 'mark' is
'to make note of' or 'draw attention to' as in 'mark my words, this
isn't as easy as it looks'.

Conclusions-
We don't know when or if the mark has occurred. At some point in the
future, the real 'marking' event could occur. It could be that after a
furious battle with Neville, Voldemort will reMARK that it was Neville
all along that he should have been worried about. Now Neville has been
'marked' by Voldemort's words. I'm not saying that will happen, I'm
just saying the the prophecy doesn't rule it out, because, as I
conclude, the July time frame is not tied to the marking, and marking
is not necessarily tied to something visible.

We don't really know the nature of the mark. Harry's scar is extremely
obvious, so obvious that we must wonder, who in their right mind could
conclude anything else. But there in lies the rub, is it a little too
obvious? Is it such a simple conclusion to reach, that we never bother
to look deeper? It also very easy to assume that the mark is a visible
mark rather than abstract.


Final conclusion-

I don't have a clue. Nothing in this series of books has baffled or
vexed me as much as this D#*% prophecy. There is something in there; a
clue, a hidden meaning, an alternative interpretation, a subtle word
play, but I haven't even come close to fantasizing any likely
possibiliies. Sorry.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn