First meetings HP/DM, JP/SS was Re: Always bothered me

[slytherinspirit]

No: HPFGUIDX 71331

Darrin said
> 
> This is the quote from your post
> > Me -
> > 
> > I don't think HGarry felt Draco was being insincere at all he 
just 
> disagreed with him totally.
> 
> You said you didn't think Harry felt Draco was being insincere. I 
> quoted canon that clearly said Harry felt Draco was saying 
something 
> he didn't mean, which is insincere.
> 
> It doesn't matter what you or I think, or what adults and children 
> normally say to someone who has lost a relative. 
> 
> Harry thought Draco was full of it.
> 
> 
No Harry didn't believe that Draco felt sorry about his parents' 
deaths. I do not think that Harry felt draco was being insincere in 
his conversation or his attempt too make friends even though he 
doubted his statement about Harry's parents.
The reason I was explaining a possible reason for Draco's supposed 
insincerity was because you said

"I question Draco's sincerity, as did Harry. And if he is insincere, 
that means he is fake and if he is fake, then he wasn't trying to 
make a friend at all. "

I was attempting to convince you of Draco's sincerity since you are 
suggesting that he wasn't really trying to make a friend.

Darrin -
> 
> Answer me this. Did Harry know or not know that the being that 
killed 
> his parents was a Slytherin? Did he not know that? I can quote the 
> canon, if you wish.
> 
> He was told that. There is no bias there. There is no propaganda. 
The 
> thing that made him an orphan and tried to kill him was a 
Slytherin. 
> 
> That is reason enough to stay the hell away.
> 

Me -

And if he had known that the person who had betrayed his parents (at 
the time obviously that would have been Sirius) was in Gryffindor he 
wouldn't have wanted to be in that house either. So yes tht is 
biased. From PoA onwards when Harry knows the circumstances of his 
parents' deaths he blames two people for it. Voldemort and either 
Sirius or Peter. So if instead of making his factually incorrect 
statement about all dark witches and wizards coming from Slytherin 
Hagrid had said that one of the people responsible for your parents' 
deaths was a Slytherin and one was a gryffindor, he might well have 
been sitting on that stool praying that he'd be in Hufflepuff. He was 
given partially correct information which was slanted against 
Slytherin and he made his decision largely on that basis. So I think 
saying that a large chunk of his desire to be in Slytherin was 
because of propaganda is true. You seem to think that because 
Hagrid's statement about Voldemort being in Slytherin is true it 
can't be propaganda. Propaganda is far more often based on a partial 
truth than on a lie and that is what Hagrid tells him. The person 
that killed your parents was a Slytherin. Well actually the *people* 
that killed his parents came from two different houses.

Darrin
> 
> But how does that change that most of the DEs are Slyths and the 
> leader was a Slyth? It doesn't. It also doesn't change that the 
> founder of Slytherin house left because Hogwarts wouldn't bow to 
his 
> discriminatory ideas.
> 
And how does that change the fact that the slytherins are isolated, 
mistrusted and driven into the arms of Voldemort. It doesn't. I have 
never argued that there aren't a lagre number of DEs that used to be 
in Slytherin House. I have never argued that some of the Slytherins 
are evil. What I have consistently said is that the good and neutral 
Slytherins are discouraged from openly stating their opinions because 
of the attitude of the rest of the WW, that those Slytherins who are 
not sure which way to jump are practically shoved into the arms of 
Voldemort because of the way they are treated and that the WW needs 
to wake up and realize that it bears some of the responsibility for 
Voldemort's popularity amongst the Slytherins.

There is a good historical parallel between the attitude of the WW to 
Slytherins and their consequent adherence to Voldemort's ideals and 
the way Germany was treated by the world community afte WWI and their 
consequent adherence (at least at first) to Hitler's ideology. And 
both have the same result that what at first seems appealing may 
later be revealed as being abhorant but once you are in you cannot 
leave. You either continue to be an active supporter or you decide to 
keep your head down and your mouth shut and thank God that the maniac 
is persecuting some other minority and not you.

K