Good Slytherin - Plus an old debate

[adamjmarcantel]

No: HPFGUIDX 71339


> > Adam: 
> >  Or C) they can do what I feel they should have done and that is 
GO TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES (that, is, faculty) and come clean...> 

Darrin:
> They tried twice. They tried to tell McGonagall once pg 194-195 
and she told them to butt out and then they ran into her again, pg 196 
> and she threatened to take 50 points at a time away until they 
> dropped it. <<<

I think you and I have different versions of the book..they talk to 
McGonagall on pages 267-269 in my version, but that is neither here 
nor there...I read that they only try to go to her once and she 
tells them that it is protected.  The next time they interact is 
when she catches them near Fluffy's door, when she tells them that 
50 points will be taken away if she catches them (Harry and Ron) 
near Fluffy's door (for lack of a better description) again..I would 
have taken 50 points away the minute I caught them there..EACH :)

Darrin:
> But, she didn't know, and refused to listen to the fact that 
Hagrid had given up the secret of Fluffy, which removes one obstacle; 
or that Quirrell and Snape had been having strange conversations,which 
> turns out, was misinterpreted by the kids, but whatever Snape was 
> doing, it didn't prevent Quirrell from going after the thing; or 
that the centaurs, who D-Dore trusts, even if McGonagall doesn't, were 
> terrified of something happening, and that, given all this 
evidence, perhaps D-Dore should be contacted. He would have come back, 
most likely. <<<

They never try to tell her all of this (i.e. Snape and Quirrell, 
Hagrid telling them how to get past fluffy).  I stand by what I said 
in that they should have presented their case, not just say someone 
is trying to steal it.

Darrin:
> And then, considering that there is the strong indication that D-
Dore set this up from the beginning, for Harry to go down there, I have 
a hard time believing D-Dore would have endangered the Stone just to 
> put Harry through his paces.

No discussion...I really don't know what D-Dore was thinking..

Darrin: 
> Again, I think the notion of this mirror being perfectly safe from 
> Quirrellmort is wrong, because that assumes V-Mort, the smartest 
> student ever at Hogwarts, wouldn't have figured it out and figured 
> out a way around it. 
> 
> If it was truly all that, why bother with the other obstacles? 
> 
> Have Quirrell simply wish to get the stone. Or, go back up, drag a 
> student down, and have that student wish for it. I'm sure others 
can think of other ways. 
> 
> I mean, the smartest student at Hogwarts surely wouldn't have 
taken very long to realize the Erised is Desire spelled backwards, and 
gone from there.
> 
> But... since Q-Mort literally couldn't touch Harry, and 
presumably, any offensive spells AGAINST Harry would have rebounded 
quite neatly, I'd say that was as safe a spot as any. <<<

I don't think the mirror was the main defense of the stone...I think 
it was D-Dore's spell that "only the person who wanted to find the 
stone and not use it would be able to get it" which was the major 
defense.  Quirrell couldn't get it because he wanted to use it, nor 
could a student wish for it because the student probably, by the 
time Quirellmort dragged them down there, didn't WANT to find the 
stone.  Apparently Harry, Ron, or Hermione were the only ones who 
could have possibly gotten the stone, so if they would not have 
been "so damn hard-headed" (as my beloved grandfather was so fond of 
describing me as), then the stone would have been safe.  McGonagall 
told them, but did they listen? Noooooo....:) 
 
> Darrin
> -- Of course, the smartest student at Hogwarts didn't think to 
tell Quirrell to "Accio Stone," either... <<<

I don't think he would have gotten it even if he had said it.

"Adam"