[HPforGrownups] Re: Remus, Severus, mind-games? (Was: Snape: The fact that he exists)

[Erin Hamilton]

No: HPFGUIDX 71514


Hi all, I've just joined up here recently and wanted to check out a few 
posts before diving in, and this seemed like a good subject. First off, and 
with all due courtesy and respect because this is all in good fun (right):

Mim (hi Mim):
  And why should we rejoice over the fact that Lupin uses Severus over
>Snivellus, anyway? Suddenly not calling someone by their hated
>childhood nickname is something you should be complimented on?

Me:
Remus Lupin is one of the few characters in the series that cops to his 
mistakes and learns from them. He knows perfectly well that letting Sirius 
and James get away with their treatment of Snape was wrong, even if he was 
needy in terms of friendship. He cops to it. Because he knows this, he 
addresses Snape in a respectful manner in Book 3 and even compliments him 
where credit is due in Book 5. I love the character of Snape, but he is not 
reciprocating.

Mim again:

>And then Remus lies through his teeth to Snape who is on to him and
>who, let's not forget, is obviously acting in Harry's best interest
>in that scene. Remus undermines Snape's authority, not to mention
>passes by an oportunity to start making some sort of amends with
>Snape.

Um, wasn't it Lupin that gave Harry a good-sized guilt trip right after 
that scene? It's not like Lupin was proud of Harry's behavior. Quite the 
contrary. Importantly, Harry listens. If it might make you feel better, 
Snape undermined Lupin's job at the end, so who won that bout?


>Courteous, pleasant and mature, of course. Maturely forgets his
>potion, pleasantly greets Pettigrew as he is about to kill him and
>very courteously puts Harry's life in danger first by not revealing
>that Sirius is an animagus and by giving Harry the Marauder's map
>again at the end of PoA.
>
>I'd take Sirius over Remus, any day. At least with Sirius you knew
>where you stood.

It's curious you say that, and Sirius is (was) may third favorite behind 
Lupin and Snape, because the joke Sirius played on Snape when they were 
young was arguably delinquent and could have resulted in Snape's gruesome 
death. That a lot more than knowing where he stands. Lupin forgot to take 
his potion in his rush to follow the kids. Maturity didn't factor in, I 
don't believe. And again, he copped to his mistake in not telling 
Dumbledore about Sirius's animagus, felt bad about it and, worried about 
that and the possibility of harm he might cause, resigned.

I don't know, I'm pretty clear on where Snape, Sirius, and Lupin each stand.

Just my thoughts. This is a great group--good discussion, if a bit testy at 
times. That's normal occasionally. Glad I found it.
Regards,
Erin