Snape, Graveyard DEs, Occlumens, Legilimens (Was "Snape's role in the Order and a little bit of Barty jnr.")

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No: HPFGUIDX 71667

SC wrote: 
> > Several people have suggested that Snape will assume another 
> identity to return to the Death Eaters, but I have a major problem 
> with this... In GoF during the scene in the graveyard, LV knows 
> EXACTLY who is who, despite the fact that they are masked and 
> cloaked. He also knows EXACTLY who isn't there. I can't believe 
> PolyJuice would fool him for a second.>

Kirstini again:
> I agree with you, but I wonder if Snape is a sufficiently 
> accomplished Occulemens to just pull it off? After all, he must 
have done a similar sort of thing once before, when working as a double 
> agent the first time round. And it's Lupin, a member of the Order, 
> who says to Harry "Snape is a superbly accomplished Occulemens" 
> (ahh, always complimentary and courteous, Lupin <g>.) - would 
> members of the Order necessarily know of each other's skills to 
this sort of extent if the skills in question weren't directly linked 
to the Order's work? I can imagine him saying something 
> like "Dumbledore says he's a good Occulemens," but the high-
falutin' praise there seems to presume direct knowledge. >>>>>>


Yes, I've thought about the Occlumency argument. It certainly has 
merit. I guess the question is how does the Dark Lord know who is 
who? My understanding of Occlumency and Legilimency is that the 
legilimens gets impressions from the mind of the other, and if 
talented can put those impressions together coherently. If 
Occlumency is simply blocking those original impressions, then to 
prevent LV from knowing your *identity*, you'd have to block 
virtually everything. Wouldn't LV have noticed that? Or is he, as 
author Bernice has hilariously written on the SnapeFF site "He Who 
Cannot Think His Way Out Of A Soggy Bag Of Every Flavour Beans?" 

I also found it interesting in the graveyard scene that each DE 
seemed to have an "assigned spot" in the circle, and each knew 
exactly where to go, even to the point of leaving spaces for the 
dead/defected DEs. They didn't just Apparate in those spots 
automatically (suggesting LV did not direct it--like some kind of DE 
ballet, hee hee), they appeared all over and then walked to their 
spots.

--SC