HRH and their Prefect badges

[Arya]

No: HPFGUIDX 72146

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Przemyslaw Plaskowicki" 
<przepla at i...> wrote:
> On 7/21/2003 10:50 PM, Arya wrote:
> 
>   > Reasons that may make a case for why Ron could lose his prefect 
badge:
> > 1.  Inability and reluctance to perform duties ascribed to 
prefects.  
> > He was not willing to enforce rules he was responsible to uphold 
such 
> > as those that Fred and George were breaking.  Even when Hermione 
only 
> > wanted him to stand beside her to give her moral support, Ron 
refused 
> > and stayed away from it.
> 
> The canon only states that Ron was unable to enforce rules to F&G. 
(Of 
> course I may be wrong, but Probatio incumbit ei, qui dicit, non ei, 
qui 
> negat (i.e. The proof lies upon him who affirms, not upon him who 
> denies) -- so since you are making the claims, you should proof it 
with 
> canon.
> 
> > 2.  Engaged in maliscious attacks upon other students and fellow 
> > prefects.  Granted, it was against Malfoy and his gang but he led 
> > both a revolt against them in Umbridge's office when Harry and 
> > Hermione were leading the Evil One into the forest.  Also, Ron 
was 
> > involved with other unnamed DA members in the hexing of 
> > Draco/Crabbe/Goyle on the train returning from Hogwarts.  (No, 
you 
> > cannot just make a case that they were defending Harry, because 
many 
> > of the hexes and curses used were not meant to only impede or 
hinder 
> > or prevent attack but to form a counter attack and ended with 
them 
> > being unconscious.
> 
> He was not involved: "`Goyle's mum'll be really pleased, though,' 
said 
> Ron, who had come to investigate the source
> of the commotion. `He's loads betterlooking not... anyway, Harry, 
the food 
> trolley's just stopped if you want anything...'" (last chapter -- 
OOP)
> 
> And yes, I'll make a case they were defending Harry. You totally 
missed 
> the point. You are basically claiming that when someone is 
attacking me 
> (or my friends) with baseball bat, I can not use one; I just should 
wear 
> helmet and protective clothing.
> 
> > 3.  Inability to prevent Harry from leaving the school and going 
to 
> > the Ministry.  Yes, Hermione also is guilty of this.  However, 
Ron is 
> > the one who has the pattern of not considering the 
responsibilities 
> > ascribed to him as a prefect.  
> 
> As some insightful member wrote: last Harry's vision saved Ron's 
father 
> life.
> 
> > Overall, I think Ron is just happy about the badge because of the 
> > status symbol it connotes and he is eager to use the little power 
it 
> > grants to his own end and amusement (wait until I get Malfoy).  
Ron 
> > acts no differently than he did when he was not a prefect and 
this is 
> > a problem.  He still follows Harry and whatever he wants.  Ron 
> > demonstrates he is incapable of indenpendant thought (unless you 
> > count the attack by a brain).
> 
> That's serious statement. You do have a canon for that, don't you?
> 
> 
> > Harry, on the other hand, would see the 
> > responsibility as just that-- something to live up to and 
something 
> > to consider with every decision he makes at school.  This is why 
> > Dumbledore thought it would weight too much on Harry's mind and 
> > conscious but it is also why Harry would make an ideal prefect.  
When 
> > Dumbledore named Ron a prefect over Harry, Dumbledore chose to 
serve 
> > Harry the person over serving the school and Gryffindor house.  
> > 
> > I admit it-- I hate Ron and hope he dies early in book 6 but I do 
> > have my reasons.  Poo.
> 
> I can understand why you are biased - in fact we all are, but what 
> really bothers me is that you see Ron as 100% loser.
> 
> Regards,
> Pshemekan

110% Loser