[HPforGrownups] Re: HRH and their Prefect badges

[Przemyslaw Plaskowicki]

No: HPFGUIDX 72130

On 7/21/2003 10:50 PM, Arya wrote:

  > Reasons that may make a case for why Ron could lose his prefect badge:
> 1.  Inability and reluctance to perform duties ascribed to prefects.  
> He was not willing to enforce rules he was responsible to uphold such 
> as those that Fred and George were breaking.  Even when Hermione only 
> wanted him to stand beside her to give her moral support, Ron refused 
> and stayed away from it.

The canon only states that Ron was unable to enforce rules to F&G. (Of 
course I may be wrong, but Probatio incumbit ei, qui dicit, non ei, qui 
negat (i.e. The proof lies upon him who affirms, not upon him who 
denies) -- so since you are making the claims, you should proof it with 
canon.

> 2.  Engaged in maliscious attacks upon other students and fellow 
> prefects.  Granted, it was against Malfoy and his gang but he led 
> both a revolt against them in Umbridge's office when Harry and 
> Hermione were leading the Evil One into the forest.  Also, Ron was 
> involved with other unnamed DA members in the hexing of 
> Draco/Crabbe/Goyle on the train returning from Hogwarts.  (No, you 
> cannot just make a case that they were defending Harry, because many 
> of the hexes and curses used were not meant to only impede or hinder 
> or prevent attack but to form a counter attack and ended with them 
> being unconscious.

He was not involved: "`Goyle's mum'll be really pleased, though,' said 
Ron, who had come to investigate the source
of the commotion. `He's loads betterlooking not... anyway, Harry, the food 
trolley's just stopped if you want anything...'" (last chapter -- OOP)

And yes, I'll make a case they were defending Harry. You totally missed 
the point. You are basically claiming that when someone is attacking me 
(or my friends) with baseball bat, I can not use one; I just should wear 
helmet and protective clothing.

> 3.  Inability to prevent Harry from leaving the school and going to 
> the Ministry.  Yes, Hermione also is guilty of this.  However, Ron is 
> the one who has the pattern of not considering the responsibilities 
> ascribed to him as a prefect.  

As some insightful member wrote: last Harry's vision saved Ron's father 
life.

> Overall, I think Ron is just happy about the badge because of the 
> status symbol it connotes and he is eager to use the little power it 
> grants to his own end and amusement (wait until I get Malfoy).  Ron 
> acts no differently than he did when he was not a prefect and this is 
> a problem.  He still follows Harry and whatever he wants.  Ron 
> demonstrates he is incapable of indenpendant thought (unless you 
> count the attack by a brain).

That's serious statement. You do have a canon for that, don't you?


> Harry, on the other hand, would see the 
> responsibility as just that-- something to live up to and something 
> to consider with every decision he makes at school.  This is why 
> Dumbledore thought it would weight too much on Harry's mind and 
> conscious but it is also why Harry would make an ideal prefect.  When 
> Dumbledore named Ron a prefect over Harry, Dumbledore chose to serve 
> Harry the person over serving the school and Gryffindor house.  
> 
> I admit it-- I hate Ron and hope he dies early in book 6 but I do 
> have my reasons.  Poo.

I can understand why you are biased - in fact we all are, but what 
really bothers me is that you see Ron as 100% loser.

Regards,
Pshemekan