Who Will Teach Harry Occlumency

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No: HPFGUIDX 73437

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <ktd7 at y...> wrote:
>  "Wendy St. John" wrote:
> 
> >> In OoP, we saw the results when Snape and Harry were both unable 
> to see past their own "baggage" and work together. Sirius is dead 
> because of it. Yes, there were other factors, but I think that 
Snape 
> and Harry's relationship had a great deal to do with it. Harry 
didn't 
> seem to be really trying to learn occlumency, partly because he 
> *wanted* the dreams, but also because his relationship with Snape 
> wasn't such that he wanted to excel at the subject to please Snape. 
> (As he might have wanted to do with a different teacher, Dumbledore 
> or Lupin, for example). Quite the opposite, in fact. I wouldn't be 
> surprised to find that Harry was subconsiously sabotaging his own 
> efforts to learn occlumency, just to spite Snape. In any case, 
Harry 
> didn't seem to place very much importance on the lessons, even 
though 
> many people told him they were important. Harry's feelings about 
Snape 
> also caused him to forget that Snape is a member of the Order. If 
Harry 
> had gone to Snape earlier, things might have been very different.
> 
> I realise that I seem to be putting the blame onto Harry here, but 
> that's only because, IMO, *in OoP*, Harry's actions created most of 
the problems. Of course, Snape's actions throughout the series have 
> alienated Harry and helped create a situation where the two don't 
trust 
> one another, and can barely even be civil to one another, so he is 
> equally to blame for the horrid relationship. However Harry was the 
one 
> in OoP who made most of the actual choices which led to Sirius' 
death 
> (not practicing occlumency, not going to Snape about his vision of 
Sirius, going into the pensieve, etc). Snape's big mistake in OoP was 
not 
> continuing the occlumency lessons after the pensieve incident. 
Although, frankly, by that time I'm not sure it would have done any 
good for the 
> lessons to continue. It seemed obvious to me that Harry just didn't 
have 
> any incentive to block Voldemort from his mind. >>>
> 
> 
> Hi, I'm new to this group, so I hope I don't rehash old arguments 
> too much...
> 
> First, as a former teacher, I think Snape deserves a lot of blame 
for
> the failure of Harry's occlumency lessons. As an adult, AND someone 
> who really understood the importance of the lessons, he should have
> overcome HIS old prejudices and hurt feelings to do his job, the 
one 
> Dumbledore had intrusted him to do. Harry, as a teenager, cannot be 
> expected to have the same level of maturity and judgement as an 
> adult, especially an experienced professor. All teachers have 
> students they do not like. You teach those kids anyway, and you do 
> your best NOT to pick on them or do things to undermine their 
> education. Snape is a petty, small person, despite the fact that he 
> is trying to work against Voldemort. 
> 
> Harry has had so many things that would make him disfunctional, it 
> would be amazing if he didn't have animosity toward many of the 
> adults in his life. He's been failed by almost everyone in his life 
> at one point or another from his point of view. He was with another 
> student who died because of Voldemort's vendetta against him. He's 
> also a hormonal teen who is subject to all kinds of emotional 
> upheavals, even if he weren't at the epicenter of a coming war with 
> the scariest force in the wizard world.
> 
<SNIP> 
> I feel certain, however, that it will be up to Dumbledore to teach 
> Harry occlumency in the feature.
> 
> 
> "Karen"

Comment:  I agee with both of you guys!  Harry's rashness was what 
brought about Sirius's demise, and I think Harry knows this.  
Unfortunately for Harry this was an important lesson to learn. 

As for Snape, he is the ADULT. I do not trust Snape....he seems about 
as capable of loving as LV, and that bothers me. Someone mentioned 
Sanpe as being the best character in the book.  The books would not 
be as interesting without him, but he is not a nice person, his wit 
is based on hurting other people, and he gets a laugh at others 
expense.  I dont see what is so wonderful about this. IMO, love, or 
the lack of, will be the ultimate downfall for both Snape and LV. 

I would be suprised if anyone else but DD taught Harry Occulmency, 
and feel that DD will be more available to Harry rather than watching 
over him from afar.
Fran
All You Need is Love....