ESE!Lupin loved Lily?

[kiricat2001]

No: HPFGUIDX 73526

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "acoteucla" <acoteucla at h...> 
wrote:
> I was recently pointed to the original ESE!Lupin post, and I found 
> the theory very convincing.  There was a reply to that post which 
> mentioned that ESE!Lupin might have been in love with Lily.  I 
think 
> this idea merits some attention.
> 
> This idea solves one of the biggest mysteries I've encountered: why 
> did Voldemort offer to let Lily go?  Well, the person he REALLY 
> wanted to kill was James (being a top member of the Order of the 
> Phoenix), so Lupin comes to Voldemort and makes a deal. 

I still think the person he really wanted to kill was Harry. James 
was collateral damage.  Not that killing James was a bad thing to do 
in Voldemort's eyes, but, if we are to believe all this Prophecy 
stuff, Harry was the one Voldemort was gunning for.

 Lupin tells 
> Voldemort how to find the Potters, and in return, Voldemort spares 
> Lily's life.  

Refresh my memory on this part of the theory.  How does Lupin know 
how to find the Potters if either Sirius or Pettigrew was the Secret 
Keeper?

If all goes according to plan, Lupin offers a shoulder 
> to cry on for the grief-stricken widow, and before you know it, 
Lupin 
> is a lucky SOB.  Voldemort gets a LOT out of this deal: he nets a 
top 
> spy, and he drags down a top enemy, so he is willing to abide by 
this 
> restriction.  However, when Lily is "too stupid" to save her own 
> skin, Voldemort's Slytherin-values kick in, and he kills her in 
> disgust.

The only way I think any of this saving Lily as a reward for 
Snape/Lupin/or anyone else who might be tapped as a love interest is 
that it was a bargain Voldemort made to get information.  I don't 
think he ever intended to go out of his way to uphold his side of the 
deal, if indeed one existed.  I'm with Darrin on this.  Voldemort 
evidently had the upper hand on her while she was pleading for 
Harry's life.  He's the most powerful wizard in the world, except 
possibly for Dumbledore.  You expect me to believe he had no other 
trick up his sleeve to get her out of the way while he dealt with 
Harry?  I just can't buy that.

> When Harry describes the Dementor-induced memories to Lupin, Lupin 
> appears to be most disturbed when hearing about Lily's death.  If 
> Lupin is NOT ESE, then why wouldn't he be more disturbed when he 
> hears about his lifelong friend dying?  And if he IS evil, but not 
in 
> love with Lily, why would he be disturbed at all?

He's disturbed because he's not evil.  He reacts more strongly the 
more Harry speaks about it because this is the first he's heard of 
all this.  There was no one else there, that we yet know of, who can 
provide an eyewitness account.  Now, after all these years, Remus 
hears of it from the depths of what was imprinted on an infant's 
mind. That's got to be disturbing in and of itself.

> Lupin also seems hesitant to touch Harry, or to make eye contact 
with 
> him at times.  Pippin says this might be because Lupin knows about 
> the horrible things that happened to Quirrell when he touched 
Harry.  
> But Lupin SHOULD know this only happened because he was being 
> possessed by Voldemort.  Maybe the real reason he won't touch Harry 
> is because Harry is a constant reminder of the love that Lily & 
James 
> shared.

Remus is also fairly self-contained in his interactions with his 
students.  He's not particularly touchy-feely. Unless he is going to 
reveal the relationship he had with James, he's going to treat Harry 
like any other student.   

Poor Harry - Snape torments him because he's reminded of James and/or 
because he was in love with Lily, Lupin refuses to interact with him 
because he was in love with Lily, Sirius sees him as James Jr., 
because James was Sirius' best friend.  At this rate, Harry would be 
better off relying on Pettigrew for adult guidance rather than any of 
of these three!<g>

Marianne