[HPforGrownups] Map of Hogwarts

[Shaun Hately]

No: HPFGUIDX 74106

On 30 Jul 2003 at 5:11, Random wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 04:19 America/Indianapolis, Shaun Hately 
> wrote:
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> > There should be images of every floor on that page as GIF files. Those
> > are the same images that you would see in the actual map - they just
> > can't be zoomed as effectively, or cycled through. Or do you have
> > something else in mind?
> 
> How about thinner lines for the GIFs? it's impossible to read anything. 
> perhaps larger images to show more detail, too. or maybe you should 
> make maps with less _real_ detail, for example, just an icon rather 
> than 12 miniature stalls to mean the toilet.

I am changing the font colour for the next version to something that 
should be easier to read - the green prints nicely but not display that 
well on screen. I may also be moving most of the next off the map and 
using arrows to indicate rooms. Using thinner lines isn't really an 
option because of the nature of the mapping program I use - everything 
is actual size including the width of walls, and making the walls 
thinner would necessitate making doors smaller (or require individual 
settings for every door. Yes, I could do less detail - but the thing is, 
these images are designed to be used with the CC2 viewer - which allows 
you to easily move in to see that detail. The GIFs are simply the 
alternative form - not the main one. Larger images could be an option - 
but they add considerably to bandwidth and space, and also a surprising 
number of people still have quite low screen resolutions - so making 
them much large would require them to scroll from side to side to see 
them.

> Incidentally, you've got Myrtle's toilet on the wrong floor... it's 
> described as being the "first" floor in one place and the "second" 
> elsewhere in an american version, which says to me it's on the floor 
> one up from the ground floor, labeled as the "first floor" on your map.

I have three primary pieces of floor information for MM's bathroom. Page 
numbers are British editions:

'She haunts a girls' toilet on the first floor,' said Hermione. (CoS 
101)

'I suppose there's always Moaning Myrtle,' he said gloomily, referring 
to the ghost who haunted the girls' toilet on the second floor.' (GoF 
345)

'Harry had swallowed a considerable amount of bubbles in shock. He stood 
up, sputtering, and saw the ghost of a very glum-looking girl sitting 
cross-legged on top of one of the taps. It was Moaning Myrtle, who was 
usually to be heard sobbing in the S-bend of a toilet three floors 
below.' (GoF 400)  

>From Gof 375, we know the Prefects' bathroom is on the fifth floor.

My quotes and notes are all from the British edition to ensure 
consistency. So what I have basically is two sources that put the room 
on the Second Floor, and one that puts the room on the first floor. It 
seems unlikely that this room moves much (it'd make hiding the entrance 
to the Chamber of Secrets much more difficult), so I am assuming a fixed 
location.

Also, the two references to it being on the second floor are textual - 
JKR is telling us where the room is. The one on the first floor is 
Hermione telling us.

And the two references to the second floor are from when Harry is in 
Fourth year, with considerable experience (back in second year) of going 
into that room a number of times. The reference to the first floor was 
from Hermione in second year of a room she avoids whenever she can. 

Basically I'm assuming that Hermione made a mistake. She was one floor 
out about a type of room that appears multiple times around the castle - 
by fourth year they know the school better. 

So I stick it on the second floor.

These are the types of notes, I've had to make for every room (-8. And 
those are just primary notes. I also have secondary notes - for example, 
from CoS 171, I know that Moaning Myrtle's bathroom is a floor above the 
hospital wing, which I know is a floor above the ground floor (don't 
have all my notes on the hospital wing with me now - it's one I'm having 
to look at in more detail as I have new information from OotP that seems 
to indicate there's an entrance on a different floor - not a problem, 
the hospital wing *is* a wing, and so could take multiple floors - it's 
just that on the current maps, I had it on one floor).

> > I may be able to make a zoomable PDF file of the map when I've updated
> > it - the main problem is bandwidth, I have already used nearly all the
> > space my ISP is willing to sell me.
> 
> can't you get free space somewhere? geocities, failing anywhere else, 
> maybe.

Maybe - but that is the bandwidth problem again. I originally put the 
current maps on Geocities - nobody could access them most of the time 
because they kept going over bandwidth limits. But it looks like there 
may be a solution to that problem - more on that later.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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