The Black Veil

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Just a comment...I'm sorry I really don't believe that Sirius 
is "trapped in some other realm."  I think that all the measures that 
Harry goes through to try to contact him after the battle:...the 
mirror and talking to Nearly Headless Nick about finding Sirius is 
ghost form...were ways of JK letting us know that his death was 
final.  And finally that conversation w/ Luna.  I really feel that 
all these things were an ingenius expression of true grief.  Harry 
reacts the way anyone of us would when someone we care for deeply has 
died--he searches for tangible reasons why Sirius CAN'T be dead.  The 
sad part is, that everywhere he looks he meets brick walls forcing 
him to see that Sirius is really dead.  Luna's comments on the veil 
are a comfort to Harry and to us.  They are an indication that some 
form of life exists after death.  But Sirius is dead and not coming 
back.  I'm sorry.

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Cawte" <kcawte at b...> 
wrote:
> Laura wrote -
> 
>  > And the death itself leaves me with questions.
> > 
> > What curse killed Sirius?
> > 
> > Was he dead before he fell behind the veil?
> > 
> > Is there significance to the veil being in the Dept of Mysteries?
> > 
> > Who do we hear whispering behind it?
> 
> 
> Someone mentioned that the place they were in was the Death 
Chamber.  
> Since we know that they hold all of the trials, and there was a 
dais in the
> room 
> (presumably for decreeing a sentence of death/verdict of some 
sort), maybe 
> they tell people their fate there, and if they're supposed to be 
killed,
> they walk 
> behind the veil.  Or am I confused and the WW doesn't use the Death 
Penalty,
> 
> only Azkaban?
> 
> 
> Or, MAYBE since Luna made some comment about people being behind 
> there, it's just kind of the "gateway" to the next world, and Harry 
and Luna
> 
> could hear the whispers of their parents and the others heard 
nothign 
> because no one of any great importance was awaiting them in the 
next 
> world?
> 
> Now me - OK sorry for the vast amount of included text but I think 
it's all
> relevent.
> 
> I don't think the WW has the Death Penalty or the Lestranges would 
surely
> not be languishing in Azkaban (not that they are anymore)
> 
> I think that Luna is right and it is a kind of gateway to the next 
world and
> that the voices were the spirits of deceased wizards and witches 
coming
> through from beyond the veil. I have a theory but I want to put in 
a couple
> of warnigs first - 1, I in no way expect this to actually happen 
although I
> do think JKR will cover the Veil in a later book and that there was 
a really
> good reason why she killed him (no idea what it is though), however 
I don't
> think it contradicts anything in canon so far. 2 - I am a 
Remus/Sirius
> shipper and the idea of him being dead is so horrendous that I am 
currently
> cruising down the River De Nial on my ship so don't expect this to 
be
> unbiased.
> 
> If the Veil is the gateway to the next world then what would 
normally happen
> would be that the person would die and their body would remain 
while their
> spirit ended up beyond the veil, therefore if Sirius had died what 
I would
> have expected to happen was his body to carry on through the arch 
and fall
> down dead the other side (a la Buffy end of Season 5). Personally I 
think he
> was alive, if unconscious, when he went in because he wasn't hit 
with a
> green AK curse. Therefore I believe that Sirius isn't in fact dead 
as Remus,
> Albus, Harry and the rest believe but trapped in this other realm. 
I would
> very much like to see Harry and some others try and rescue him.
> 
> I do think it's possible that Harry might end up having to go 
through that
> arch at some point in the future in which case perhaps that's why 
JKR did it
> - Sirius will be his guide maybe?
> 
> K
> *It DIDN'T happen*