[Oop Spoiler!] Intriguing creatures: Mystery or Discrepancy?

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No: HPFGUIDX 62374

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> Now Laura:
> My first impression was that perhaps he had NOT seen his mother die 
> (which seemed somewhat inexplicable) and that Cedric was the first 
> death that he had witnessed.  However, this is ALSO an 
inconsistancy, 
> as GoF clearly states, well after the death of Cedric that the 
> carriages are still horseless.
> 
> "Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages that were 
> now trundling toward them up the drive, as Krum, looking surprised 
> but grateful, signed a fragment of parchment for Ron." (GoF, US 
> paperback, p.725-726)
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> Surely if Harry had suddenly noticed the horeses, he would have 
> commented on it, if not to Ron or Hermione, at least in the 
narrative?
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> So was JKR trying to save this dramatic revelation for OOP, is it a 
> Flint, or did Harry actually SEE someone die over the summer?  
> Because if you read GoF carefully, you will see that Harry's eyes 
> were closed when Cedric died, and he merely saw the flash of green 
> light through his closed eyelids.
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> Curious.  Very curious.
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> -Laura

>From Jaimee...

Do you think this has anything to do with Voldemort, for lack of a 
better word, "tampering" with Harry's mind (using Legilimency)? It 
almost seems to me that, as this book progresses, LV and Harry are 
becoming more and more--dare I say it--one. Harry, perhaps, sees the 
Threstrals because Voldemort, and not Harry, has actually seen death--
and so many times, too. 

Now, even as I write this, I am arguing with myself over whether this 
explains things or not. I mean, Dumbledore believes LV had not 
realized his affective connection with Harry (or at least not the 
full extent of it) until Harry witnessed the attack on Arthur 
Weasley. But, if we think about it, Harry started having the dreams 
about the corridor and the door during the summer. And, unless I read 
wrong, canon suggested that those dreams were supposed to be 
Voldemort's attempts to--oh! here comes my word again--"tamper" with 
Harry's mind.

So, if we presume that it is Voldemort and not Harry who has actually 
*seen* death and that Harry sees the Threstrals because the 
connection between he and Voldemort has strengthened, then it would 
make sense that Harry doesn't see the threstrals at the end of year 4 
but does in fact see them at the start of year 5. 

But maybe I'm reaching here...probably because there are parts of 
Book 5 that are eating at me more than these unnerving Thestrals. But 
I don't know if I am ready to discuss those parts yet--the pain of 
losing Sirius is still too much for me to examine the book a second 
time.

~Jaimee, who knew the whole time that it was going to be Sirius and 
reacted with quite the same anger as Harry showed in Dumbledore's 
office (except mine was silent and less distructive--I simply 
screamed and cursed at JKR in my mind...didn't think it would be a 
good idea to be loud an wake up my roomate!)

Oh! and PS. Is it so hard to believe that Harry didn't actually *see* 
Lily die?...I mean, he was only a baby, possibly placed in a crib or 
something at the time...and there is no canon evidence that Harry 
remembers seeing anything at all the night of his parents' murders. 
The dementors allow him to remember the sounds, but not the 
sights...and I always thought the green light he saw in his dreams 
was Voldemort's AK for Harry and not Lily...again, I could be 
reaching here...