OOP: Snape, Neville, Draco
rane_ab
rane_ab at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 24 12:42:49 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 62830
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I've just spent 20 minutes trying to find who it was that chose the
quote:
"And Crabbe, loosen your hold a little. If Longbottom suffocates it
will mean a lot of tedious paperwork and I am afraid I shall have to
mention it on your reference if ever you apply for a job." (p. 657,
UK version)
as the funniest and remarked on the dig Snape makes toward his own
house. I gave up trying to find it because there are just too many
messages. My apologies.
My first remark on that quote is that it was the first genuinely nice
thing Snape ever did for Neville. It didn't even strike me as such
upon first reading it, but really, it is. Apart from not really
believing Snape was worried for Crabbe, I think that if he would have
been, there would be no need for him to use sarcasm like that. It's
the first time I hear Snape say something sarcastically just to cover
up his real intentions. Of course, part of the reason why he said
this was probably to deflect the attention from what Harry had just
said (about Padfoot being at the Ministry), considering he was just
about to leave the room without saying anything at all about it, but
still... I was surprised.
Continuing on the remark of whoever it was about Snape jeering his
own house's stupidity, I was wondering if the part "if ever you apply
for a job" refers to Crabbe being too stupid to apply for one, or to
Crabbe being so rich he doesn't need a job. I'm with those who
conclude from the Pensieve scene that Snape was rather poor, and this
just made me wonder how, exactly, Snape feels about the students in
his class. He seems to at least have liked Malfoy Sr. Many have
argued he identifies himself in Draco, and I'm sure he's absolutely
delighted at Draco's treatment of Harry, but I wonder how he really
feels about Draco - if he perhaps feels some resentment for Draco
being rich and spoiled as he doesn't seem to have been.
Also, I remarked somewhere that I was a bit sorry that we didn't get
to see Snape putting Umbridge back into her place, as that would no
doubt have been hilarious, but really, re-reading that particular
scene (Out Of The Fire, p.656-657, UK version), Snape actually *did*
snark with her - and it was pretty funny.
<"Ah, Professor Snape," said Umbridge, smiling widely and standing up
again. "Yes, I would like another bottle of Veritaserum, as quick as
you can, please."
"You took my last bottle to interrogate Potter," he said, surveying
her coolly through his greasy curtains of black hair. "Surely you did
not use it all? I told you that three drops would be sufficient."
Umbridge flushed. >
Skipping Umbridge asking him to make some more and remarking
that "Surely (...)" sounded pretty disrespectful.
<"Certainly," said Snape, his lip curling. "It takes a full moon-
cycle to mature, so I should have it ready for you in a round a
month.> (p.656, UK version)
His lip curling. He's really being disrespectful here, the only thing
missing is him actually calling her an idiot. This is what baffled
me. From Umbridge's later remark that Lucius spoke highly of Snape,
I'm presuming she's a good friend of Lucius', or at least a favorable
acquaintance. And Draco certainly likes her, considering all the
powers she's given him. So, as a good DE spy (or whatever it is he
is, exactly - apparently it involves staying on Malfoy's good side,
anyway), he's supposed to act as though he's on Lucius' side, and I'm
sure Lucius supports Umbridge, so why is he acting deliberately
demeaning towards Umbridge with Draco actually in the room?
Skipping once again Umbridge's request for more Veritaserum, Snape's
hilarious remark about using poison instead - but not really - and
Umbridge not being happy about that, and Harry's attempt to tell
Snape about Sirius without actually saying anything out loud, we have:
<"You are on probation!" shrieked Professor Umbridge, and Snape
looked back at her, his eyebrows slightly raised. "You are being
deliberately unhelpful! I expected better, Lucius Malfoy always
speaks most highly of you! Now get out of my office!"
Snape gave her an ironic bow and turned to leave.> (p. 657, UK
version)
Eyebrows slightly raised? Ironic bow? This is the first time I've
seen Snape actually being ironic to one of his superiors. It seems as
though he's obeying, but at the same time mocking her authority. It's
absolutely funny - I don't think I've ever seen Snape act so
*lightly*, actually - but at the same time a little unexpected.
Again, why act that way in front of Draco? Or does he simply think
Draco won't pick up on it? (Possibly the other Slyths present really
are too stupid to notice that much, but Draco? Though he admittedly
swallowed that "remedial Potions" story a little too easily for my
taste - that was really stupid. Of course, he does trust Snape and
isn't expecting anything.) I don't really understand that bit, no
matter how much I had to laugh. I'm wondering again if what we read
is Harry's take on things, or the way things really are. I think
Harry may be a little too agitated at the time to notice all Snape's
little ironic gestures, though.
This scene also certainly prooves Snape's acting skills. I've always
been very much convinced that he really does hate Harry and dislikes
Gryffs in general, and I still believe he does, but, as I said before
in another msg, now JKR does have me wondering exactly *how much* of
his dislike and hatred is genuine. Or his liking his students.
At the end of the book, where Harry is threatening to attack Draco,
and defiantly tells Snape that he's trying to decide which curse he
should throw at Draco, Snape isn't quite as mean as he could have
been. Harry's question is defiant (something I would expect Snape to
be furious about, especially as at this point, Harry must remind him
more of James than ever before) and he's planning on attacking a
student - a student, which some people suggest, Snape identifies
himself with. And all he does is take *ten* points. Ten. I'd have
first thought that Snape would start shouting at Harry, and then
would certainly take away more than twenty points at least for such
an offence. But he doesn't. His further comments on the lack of
points from Gryffindor - well, that's just his usual behaviour, isn't
it? Even when Harry *isn't* doing anything wrong, he acts like that.
So really, I thought he was being pretty soft there. Especially with
Draco and his cronies standing around.(I've already said that in
another message, and I apologise for repeating myself, but it just
seemed to fit in this post.)
So now I'm really wondering exactly how much he does identify with
Draco, and what he feels for him.
Cheerful greetings,
Rane,
who notices the number of members is soaring...
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