[HPforGrownups] Re: OOP: James, Snape, God, Illustrations

[Jenserai Bariman]

No: HPFGUIDX 63308

Sarah:
>I still think that one memory, and Snape's WORST one at that, isn't
>enough information to know the true nature of the rivalry.  If this
>is his WORST memory, could this have been a normal occurance?  I
>think that if this is his worst memory, then this is the worst
>humiliation that he got.  As bad as this scene was, I don't think we
>can take this as indicative of anyone's true nature, Snape's or
>MWPP's.

I know the chapter says it is, but I would be really surprised if what Harry 
saw was Snape's worst memory. You are, indeed, right that there is much we 
don't know.

<snip>
>Personally, I think the Snape/Sirius near fight in OoP (the chapter
>Occlumency) is MUCH more indicative of Snape and James' rivalry
>during their time at Hogwarts.  Snape and Sirius trade barely vieled
>insults, and nearly come to a wizarding fight.  Snape pulled out his
>wand FIRST in this instance, after criticizing James in front of his
>best friend and his son; Sirius pulls it out later.

First off, Snape had intended to avoid this confrontation. He wanted to talk 
to Harry alone, but Black wouldn't leave.

Second, Black was first to draw his wand. Black stood up and Snape, seeming 
to realize it was likely to come to a fight "balled his fist in the pocket 
of his cloak over what Harry was sure was the handle of his wand". A few 
seconds later, "Sirius pushed his chair roughly aside and strode around the 
table toward Snape, pulling out his wand as he went; Snape whipped out his 
own".

<snip>
>I think we're just seeing evidence of what
>Dumbledore said: James/Snape's rivalry is just like Harry/Draco
>rivalry: the Potters and the two Slytherin boys had a mutual
>animosity.

Personally, I don't think that SS=HP and DM=JP or SS=DM and HP=JP are really 
true. I think there are similarities between the lot of them and just as 
many differences.

<snip>
>Not nice, but kids AREN'T nice!  They're mean gits, and are
>only nice to their friends.

Obviously, I was never a kid then. And neither were the great majority of my 
peers.

<snip>
>By fifth year, you KNOW Harry could hold
>Draco upside down and humiliate him.  He doesn't, no because he
>wouldn't like to, but because teachers keep a close eye on him and
>he doesn't get a chance to.

I prefer to keep the little respect I have for Harry and believe that he 
would not do that to Draco if he thought he could get away with it. I don't 
think Harry would do something like that without a really, really good 
reason.

>
>OK, that's my long-winded way to say that Snape was picked on in his
>memory, yes, but that doesn't indicate a pattern of MWPP being great
>bullies like Dudley's gang.

Sure it does. Dudley beats up anyone who annoys him. James hexes anyone who 
annoys him.

Sorry for all the snips, I wanted to keep this short and not too redundant.

-Jens

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