OOP: : SPOILER : Startling discovery about the veil

[Linda]

No: HPFGUIDX 63821

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Brooke" <brookeshanks at m...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Kelly L." <kethlenda at y...> 
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> > Mindy wrote:
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> > Conclusion: The spell most certainly did NOT kill him. He was 
still
> > > conscious. He looked surprised but also scared, knowing he was 
> going to
> > > fall into the veil and no one could save him.
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> > > We don't know what goes on behind the veil. No one explains it 
in 
> the
> > > book -- and I think that JKR keeps that knowledge away from us 
> for good
> > > reason. We can safely assume it will play a signifcant role in 
> book 6.
> > 
> > I agree.  My significant other finished the book last night, and 
> the first thing he 
> > said was, "Sirius ain't dead."  We talked it over--we decided 
that 
> Bellatrix had *
> > stunned* Sirius, rather than hitting him with a more lethal 
spell.  
> JKR made 
> > sure we knew Sirius had been hit with a RED spell.  Avada Kedavra 
> is 
> > GREEN.  Then Sirius fell ALIVE through the veil.
> > 
> > What happens to him on the other side, I don't know, but if I 
> recall my 
> > mythology, when living people go to the land of the dead, they 
just 
> have to be 
> > careful not to eat the food...
> > 
> > If JKR wanted us to be 100 percent positive Sirius was dead, she 
> would have 
> > had Bellatrix AK him.  There is still something that will happen, 
I 
> think.  What, I 
> > don't know.
> > 
> > Kelly L.
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> 
> In still thinking along those lines (as mentioned above).  If 
Sirius 
> is indeed not dead, what would he be now.  Ghosts are dead, so he 
> could not return as a ghost.  Is there another type of magical 
being 
> or spirit that we may or may not have been told about that could be 
> somewhat alive/dead?  I guess it sounds silly, but Peeves and 
Moaning 
> Myrtle seem to have abilities that other ghosts do not.  Then 
again, 
> why did Lupin restrain Harry and say "there's nothing you can do."  
> At that point, Lupin behaved as if Sirius was indeed gone.  But 
> Lupin's behavior at the end of the book (at King's Cross) was very 
> sketchy to me... why was he not more empathetic with Harry in 
regard 
> to the very recent loss of someone who had been important to both 
of 
> them?  YOu would think Lupin would have wanted a word with Harry 
> about it, right?  Maybe Lupin knows something about that veil that 
we 
> don't??  
> 
> Brooke



Everyone here has made good points.I want Sirius to not be dead too, 
just somewhere in the netherworld looking for a way back.  But on 
page 825 (American version) Dumbledore says "It is my fault that 
Sirius died", meaning to me that Sirius is really dead.I assume that 
Dumbledore is the most skillful and knowledgable wizard in 
existance.  If there were a way for Sirius to survive his demise, 
wouldn't Dumbledore have mentioned that to Harry, to give him some 
hope and ease his broken heart especially at a time when he was 
trying to be truthful and tell Harry everything?   Too me, this room 
with the veil looks like the wizarding world's version of an 
execution chamber. Hagrid also says to Harry that "Sirius died in 
battle, and thats the way he would have wanted to go".   I dunno.  It 
would have been easier to hope that Sirius could come back if 
Dumbledore and Hagrid had not refered to him as dead, or if it was 
stated that this veil was a portal to another dimension.  But they 
didn't.