(Slight OOP spoiler) Re: Didn't Harry see his mum die? & Thestral Theories...

[magicalme9]

No: HPFGUIDX 64136

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Vicky D" <vdegroote at w...> 
wrote:
> I'm just now allowing myself to read posts here as I just finished 
OoP at 4
> o'clock this morning.  Please excuse me if this has been hashed 
out, but it
> doesn't appear to have been.  Didn't Harry see his mother die and 
then
> wouldn't he have seen the Thestrals from the start.  You cauld say 
this is
> the first year they used them and that the carriages moved by some 
charm
> before this year, BUT Luna said she's seen them since she first 
came.  I
> know that is has been discussed about Harry not seeing them at the 
end of
> GoF, but I think the thing about him seeing his mother die is a 
flint as
> well.  Unless A) he didn't actually see her die~ was asleep and I'm 
just
> remembering the cinematic approach to the scene or B) (and my niece 
thinks
> I'm nuts) his mother did not actually die!!!   OOOOH!  Now there's a
> question!  Did they ever actually find Lily's body or did they just 
assume
> she dissintegrated?  Is there a grave somewhere?  I'd think Harry 
would want
> to visit his parent's grave.
> SO, if he didn't actually see his mother die (for whatever reason), 
it could
> be that he didn't see the Thestrals at the end of GoF because 
Cedrics
> deathwas to fresh?  I know it sounds corny, but it could have to do 
with
> coming to terms, etc.
> Oh!  Antoher problem i have has to do with another post i just read.
> Someone stated the people who could hear the voices behind the veil-
 Harry,
> Luna, Neville and Ginny.  Did Ginny say she could hear the voices & 
if so,
> who has he seen die (besides a few roosters, I mean)?
> Just a few thoughts.  Now I have to go and begin my second go round 
with OoP
> at a much more leisurely pace!  Anxious to hear some responses. 
(which I'm
> sure I will in the next few minutes)
> 
> Vicky

That's actually one thing I really wondered about too. Why doesn't 
Harry see the Thestrals from the beginning? Well, I just somehow 
assumed, that he had been too little to remember Lily's death. He 
remembers his parents screaming and loads of green light, but it 
never says in canon, that he actually remembers his mother dying. I 
mean see her being hit by AK, falling to the floor and lying there. 
Maybe it has to do with seeing the whole process of dying... As to 
why he doesn't see the Ts at the End of GoF, I don't know.
Now, my Ginny theory: I don't think Ginny has ever seen death 
(correct me if I'm wrong), but in CoS she has been very, VERY close 
to death herself - halfway in this world and halfway in the other 
already. So she might have a hightened sensitivity towards the 
Otherworld...well, it is a theory
And Vicky, sorry to say so, but Lily and James are definitely dead. 
Are there Graves for wizards? Are there graveyards? and if not, where 
do dead wizard's and witch's bodies go?