Didn't Harry see his mum die? & Thestral Theories...

[Vicky D]

No: HPFGUIDX 64119

Just in case it's still needed, here's some spoiler space......
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I'm just now allowing myself to read posts here as I just finished OoP at 4
o'clock this morning.  Please excuse me if this has been hashed out, but it
doesn't appear to have been.  Didn't Harry see his mother die and then
wouldn't he have seen the Thestrals from the start.  You cauld say this is
the first year they used them and that the carriages moved by some charm
before this year, BUT Luna said she's seen them since she first came.  I
know that is has been discussed about Harry not seeing them at the end of
GoF, but I think the thing about him seeing his mother die is a flint as
well.  Unless A) he didn't actually see her die~ was asleep and I'm just
remembering the cinematic approach to the scene or B) (and my niece thinks
I'm nuts) his mother did not actually die!!!   OOOOH!  Now there's a
question!  Did they ever actually find Lily's body or did they just assume
she dissintegrated?  Is there a grave somewhere?  I'd think Harry would want
to visit his parent's grave.
SO, if he didn't actually see his mother die (for whatever reason), it could
be that he didn't see the Thestrals at the end of GoF because Cedrics
deathwas to fresh?  I know it sounds corny, but it could have to do with
coming to terms, etc.
Oh!  Antoher problem i have has to do with another post i just read.
Someone stated the people who could hear the voices behind the veil- Harry,
Luna, Neville and Ginny.  Did Ginny say she could hear the voices & if so,
who has he seen die (besides a few roosters, I mean)?
Just a few thoughts.  Now I have to go and begin my second go round with OoP
at a much more leisurely pace!  Anxious to hear some responses. (which I'm
sure I will in the next few minutes)

Vicky