OOP: Re: OotP: Prophecy question - SPOILER.

[MLE83]

No: HPFGUIDX 64599


Hi All,

I'm new to the list and haven't yet rec'd an email from my list elf.  
I apologize in advance if I'm breaking any rules by posting to the 
list without some sort of clearance.

I have a rather complex theory and will do my best to enumerate it 
logically.  First, I feel it necessary to list the various CANON
I'll 
need to reference for my theory to make sense.  Here it is.

CANON:   "He will have power the Dark Lord knows not
and
either must 
die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other 
survives"  [OOP U.S.  p. 841]
My Assumption:  "knows not" means "possesses not" AND
"doesn't know 
about"

CANON:  [OOP U.S. p. 863]  Luna & HP discuss Luna's dead mother
Luna:  "And anyway, it's not as though I'll never see Mum
again, is 
it?"
HP:  "Er – isn't it?"
Luna:  "Oh, come on.  You heard them, just behind the veil,
didn't 
you?"
HP:  "You mean
"
Luna:  "In that room with the archway.  They were just lurking
out of 
sight, that's all.  You heard them."
Narrative:  "he had been sure he had heard voices behind the veil 
too
"

CANON:  [U.S. p. 814]  Dumbledore & Voldemort converse
VM:  "There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!"
DD:  "You are quite wrong," 
 "Indeed, your failure
to understand 
that there are things worse than death has always been your greatest 
weakness—"

Based on all of the CANON items above, here is my 
interpretation/theory about the OOP prophecy and what could be 
possible in future HP books.

It seems to me that Luna is pretty ethereal/spiritual and certainly 
has beliefs about people actually surviving death (i.e. afterlife) 
and being separated from the living by "the veil" on the dais
in 
OOP.  I suspect she's going to help HP develop a similar belief
and 
to overcome his fear of death.  If he comes to believe that death 
isn't final, then he's no need to carry on being angry about
the 
deaths of his parents and Sirius because he'll see them again. 
He 
also has no reason to go on hating VM because VM has succeeded in 
taking nothing away from him permanently.  Could this open the way 
for a love that could aid in VM's defeat?  (clearly a theme that
DD 
has referenced since, I believe, book 1.  It's also the attribute -
 "heart"- that drove VM to lose control of HP in OOP during the MoM 
fight scene)  

Further, what if VM kills HP after HP has come to terms with death?  
Could it be that he "survives" death through this lack of
fear or 
acceptance, somehow, and that this kind of  "survival" is
what kills 
VM (i.e. removes him from the land of the living)?  ("for neither
can 
live while the other survives")  It seems the prophecy makes a
clear 
distinction between the words "live" and "survive". 
I'm assuming 
that means they're not the same thing.  I'm reminded of the
spiritual 
concept that one must first come to terms with, or make peace with, 
death before one can truly learn to live.

I think there's support for this theory because DD says that
VM's 
greatest weakness is that he doesn't understand that death's
not the 
worst thing there is.  If HP learns this truism and VM never does, is 
that not a power that VM "knows not" as stated in the
prophecy (i.e. 
neither possesses for himself nor knows that Harry possesses)?

It's certainly possible, as well, that Halloween can factor into
this 
scenario prominently.  Indeed, I believe it already has because 
wasn't that the night that HP's parents were killed and he
was 
attacked by VM in PS/SS?  Furthermore, others on the list have noted 
that Halloween myths in certain Celtic (and other) traditions claim 
it is the night when the "veil" or separation between the
living and 
the dead is at its most permeable.  Could that be a good night for HP 
to voluntarily pass through the veil?  Is it possible he might even 
come back to the land of the living after "surviving" and,
thereby, 
vanquishing VM?  Maybe VM doesn't have to kill HP for him to pass 
thru the veil.  Maybe he can just pass thru the veil, survive, and in 
so doing seal VM's fate.

This would also mean that neither kills the other with his wand and 
it circumvents the issue about the "brother" wands not being
able to 
oppose each other (or something like that – that book's not
handy 
right now, but I think it's from GoF).

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing other people's thoughts as
this so-
called theory has been gnawing at the back of my brain since I 
finished the book yesterday.
Regards-
Leigh