OOP: MWPP WERE ALL GRYFFINDORS! (was MWPP and their houses) -small spoilers.

[peterhbrine]

No: HPFGUIDX 65155

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tmarends at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kkearney at s...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kirstini wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 1.) JKR confirmed that James was a Chaser on the Gryf Quidditch
> > team.
> > 
> > Actually, she confirmed he was a Chaser.  Her reply didn't 
include 
> the
> > words "on the Gryffindor team".  I know many people interpret her 
> lack
> > of contradiction as affirmation, but I think it's still open for
> > argument.
> > 
> > > 2.)Lupin was made "the prefect" in an effort to influence the 
> others 
> > > for the better. Only one fifth year boy is made prefect from 
each 
> > > house, and the way this passage was worded (my boyfriend has a 
> very 
> > > tight grip on my copy at the moment, so I can't quote) made me 
> > > assume that only one of MWPP could have been made "the" 
prefect .
> > 
> > Well, assuming Dumbledore really did want Lupin to discipline 
James
> > and Sirius, making them all prefects (from different houses) 
> wouldn't
> > have achieved much.  
> > 
> > > 3.)In the Pensieve, they are shown banded together against a 
boy 
> who 
> > > a) is a Slytherin, b)believes in purity of blood, which they 
> don't. 
> > > Not conclusive, I know, but could PP have achieved such 
> popularity 
> > > coming from a house which stood against their ideals? Would 
they 
> be 
> > > picking on someone from their own house to such an extent in a 
> book 
> > > where the concerns raised by Hermione and the Sorting Hat about 
> > > inter-house rivalry dividing pupils were constructed as a 
central 
> > > theme?
> > 
> > I have a feeling, based on Lily's comments, that they didn't 
> restrict
> > their bullying to Slytherins.
> > 
> > 
> > > 6.)In PoA, Lupin says "Well, let's drink to a Gryffindor 
victory 
> > > against Ravenclaw! Not that I'm supposed to take sides, as a 
> > > teacher..." (PoA, Bloomsbury, p182). This suggests to me that 
> were 
> > > Lupin not a teacher, he'd still be supporting Gryffindor - just 
> to 
> > > support his friend James' son? Or because he was one himself? 
> Former 
> > > Hogwartians are notoriously partisan.
> > 
> > Actually, heads of houses are notoriously partisan, not former
> > Hogwartian teachers in general.  Who knows, perhaps they get a 
raise
> > if their house wins, not to mention the gloating rights that both
> > McGonagall and Snape seem to hold over each other's heads.  I 
think 
> it
> > very possible that Lupin was in a different house, but due to his
> > growing mentorship with Harry, wanted to support Harry's team this
> > time.
> > 
> > 
> > > There you go, my argument. Let the picking commence.
> > 
> > I'm done now.  Your arguments are persuasive but still
> > circumstantial.  I'm hoping they were in different houses, simply 
to
> > add interest, although somehow I doubt it.
> > 
> > -Corinth
> 
> The thing that really gets me about the different house theory is 
how 
> did James, Sirius, and Peter learn to be animagus (sp) if they were 
> in different houses without anyone else (except Lupin) knowing 
about 
> it??  How could they sneak out of their respective common rooms, at 
> night, and meet up to get into the Shrieking Shack??  Putting them 
> all in the same house (Gryffindor) you can train in the dorm room 
at 
> night (it was only the four of them), use James's invisibility 
cloak 
> to get out of the castle (we've seen the trio do that lots of 
times), 
> change into your respective animals, get into the Shrieking Shack, 
> and have a merry old time.  I've thought they had to be in the same 
> house since POA.  OOP just reaffirmed it to me with Lupin being 
> chosen as prefect out of the four of them.  If they were in 
different 
> houses, it is possible that none of them would have been a 
prefect.  
> By saying that Lupin was picked over James and Sirius (notice how 
> they even overlooked Peter back then) to try and level some control 
> over them clearly indicates that they were in the same house.
> 
> Tim

Along the same lines, look how JKR developed Harry's relationship to 
classmates in other houses.  He didn't really begin to interact 
(other than sharing classes, playing Quiditch and hating Malfoy) with 
members of the other houses until the 4th book.  My recollection was 
that James, Sirius and Peter were aware of Remus' "mysterious 
disappearances" from their earliest time at Hogwarts.  It would be 
totally contrary to Harry's experience if the Mauraders were able to 
establish such a strong cross-house relationship at such an early age.