OOP: James( was:Two-way Mirror and other frustrations)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 65321

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Jenserai Bariman" 
<jenserai at h...> wrote:

> 
> >And I was definately wrong in thinking that character like James 
and
> >Sirius held Honour in any esteem.
> 
> Right again. Attacking someone from behind isn't honorable in my 
book.
> 
> >Snape drew his wand Lily drew her wand and Sirius has said.
> >"You are less like your father than I thought Harry....the risk 
> would have been what made it fun for James." The *risk* made it 
*fun*.
> >He was having plenty of fun fighting Snape thats for sure. I don't
> >suppose that means anything does it?
> 
> So this whole thing was because he wanted to piss Lily off? I 
> thought it was because Snape was a slimy little Death Eater in 
training and James hated evil things? Or was it simply an exceptional 
opportunity for James? Beat down evil and get Evans mad at the same 
time, two-birds-with-one-stone?
> 
> If so, James' mind seems to work backwards. "I should be as cruel 
as possible to anything that seems like it might not be as good and 
honorable as myself, thus not only bringing myself to their level - 
or below - but running the risk of pushing someone that might not 
have turned out bad over the edge, _and_ I should try to get the girl 
I like to hate me enough to cast hurt me."
> 
> I realize a lot of teenaged boys are idiots, but I've never met one 
_that_ stupid. I know about the whole "boy likes girl so boy teases 
girl" thing, but I think this is taking it a bit far.
> 
> I think I've just found where my biggest disagreement with your 
position is. You say James was really a good and honorable person, 
but that he was going about expressing his goodness and his honor in 
the wrong way by bullying people. In my opinion, someone like this is 
as bad as what it is they hate, good intentions be damned. It's how a 
person acts that counts, and James was acting like a bully.
> 
> 

> Do you think we could call a truce? I think I've used all my canons 
several times over in the past two days and it's getting repetitive. 
You have certainly made me respect you for your skill in debate if 
not got me to believe your argument has any merit to it. I hope I 
have had the same effect on you, although I don't know, I did sort of 
lose my temper. I don't usually do that.
> 
> I'd like to hear what you have to say about my paragraph above 
your "Ok in closing...". Did I get your argument right there; is 
that, fundamentally, where we disagree? If so, I have a proposition. 
But I want to hear your answer first.
> 
> -Jens

Hi Again,
Gracious! I would love a truce! Frankly, you are good at this and are 
wearing me out. Phew.
Unfortunately the one pivotal interest in your proposition is going 
to take a turn for the worst.
Did I give the canon of James had more fun when a risk was involved 
to demonstrate the situation as a Boy tease Girl issue. Oops 
No. [blushes fiercly] Did it really come across that way.

I was, quite inadequately it seems, pointing to an indication that 
James wouldn't have thought Severus was quite so fun to tease if he 
didn't feel threatened by him.

Is the truce still on?

Valky. 

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