[HPforGrownups] Harry Lists D.E. & Malfoy

[SeventhSqueal]

No: HPFGUIDX 53162


 Greg said:
> >I also, for some reason, 
> >dont see Snape collaborating with Malfoy on
> anything >that is outside 
> >the realm of Dumbledore - Dumbledore is the only
> >thing that kept 
> >Snape from the Dementors.
> 
> >More likely, I think, is that Snape thought that
> >Lucius was a benign 
> >entity, that he could be trusted, at least that he
> >was not allied 
> >with Voldemort.  Now he finds out that he is, and
> >this compromises 
> >him in some way.

Greg, we have differing opinions on the magnitude of
Lucius Malfoy's capability for evil doing. His last
name is Malfoy. I don't speak French but doesn't this
translate roughly to 'troublemaker' or 'evildoer'?
(sorry, please excuse the Bushisms) His first name
sounds a lot like Lucifer. He has shown that he can
effortlessly open a hell's-mouth worth of trouble in
CoS. The man is a snake. Unlike Voldemort, he is an
overlooked snake of sound mind and body. It would be
dangerous for Harry Potter to dismiss him as just an
older version of his son. Fortunately, Harry Potter
had the misfortune of having a one-on-one
confrontation with him at the end of CoS and he won't.
 
> Melinda:
  But also, I think that fear of Voldemort,
> and of desertion of Voldemort would induce most
> Death Eaters to return to the fold *very* quickly. 
> One big rule for protecting yourself is to make sure
> that you haven't teed off someone who is likely to
> kill you, such as Voldemort.  I put Lucius Malfoy in
> that category.  

7thSqueal:
I agree Lucius had to make an appearance. I imagine he
was very curious to see what form Voldemort has taken.
He needs to check him out. 

We differ on opinion about what made Snape react. I
want Snape to be a good guy, too. But as things stand,
he may be involved in an alternate conspiracy. I'm
hoping that he'll go along with this other conspiracy
until the last minute, when he takes off his villain
mask and saves the day or helps to save the day.
TripleAgent!Snape.

Melinda:
> One problem is that Snape was not explicitly
> mentioned by Voldemort after his revival in Chapter
> 33. We assume that the Death Eater who has left him
> forever is Snape, but knowing JKR, that *may* not be
> so. Snape may not have been included in that group
> of six that Voldemort dwells on. (3 dead, 1 loyal, 1
> lost, 1 coward.) 
> 
> Also, Voldemort, while touring the circle of Death
> Eaters, did not stop to talk to them all, nor did he
> mention the names of them all.  For all we know,
> Snape may have been there. (As far as I remember -
> someone please correct me if I'm wrong!)  Therefore,
> Harry doesn't know where Snape is, whether he was
> there or not, and to whom he is truly loyal. 
> (Personally, I think Snape is loyal to Dumbledore,
> and that he was not at the DE gathering, but Harry
> is not so sure on this point.)

I don't have my book with me right now. I will graph
out the DE circle and post it tonight. I've never
taken the time to sit down and do this before so maybe
there's something I've missed. That scene is crucial
to the books so it is time to take a magnifying glass
to it.

Two more thoughts that are too small to post alone. 

1) IMHO, Dumbledore trusts Snape. If you can trust
someone to be predictable and you understand what
motivates them you can trust them. Dumbledore knows
what Snape is, and can work with it. He might be
keeping his enemy close.

2) There was another thread that was talking about
wand cores and the materials used. I thought it would
be cool if some of the Slytherins, maybe even Snape,
had a Basilisk tooth core. 




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~SeventhSqueal

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