Timeline (Re: Dumbledore is Ron?)
probonoprobono
probono at rapidnet.com
Fri Mar 7 16:27:15 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 53378
> Fred Waldrop wrote:
>
> >Now according to the Lexicon, Hagrid's timeline was:
>
> <snip>
>
> >1943, He is falsely accused of opening the CoS, expelled and given
> >the gameskeeper position.
> >So, this means that Arthur and Molly go to Hogwarts, and
*GRADUATES
> >BEFORE* 1943. Exactly how old are the Weasleys? They would have
had
> >to be born no later than 1925, more likely around 1920 to 1923
seeing
> >as how Molly does not talk about going to school with Hagrid
> >(1943 - 18 years old when graduating = 1925). And I do not think
> >someone would forget Hagrid once you meet him.
GulPlum responded:
> Not necessarily. That whole line of reasoning is based on an
assumption
> that there was only ever one gamekeeper at a time.
>
> Besides, would a 13 year-old with limited experience and education
(and the
> stigma of expulsion) immediately be given a very responsible job
at the
> school from which he's just been expelled? I think not.
>
> Sure, Hagrid *says* that he was "kept on as gamekeeper" but
knowing him,
> he could have meant "kept on as *a* gamekeeper".
>
> I see Ogg as quite advanced in his years at the time the Weasley
parents
> were at Hogwarts and although he still had the title of Keeper of
the Keys
> and was in charge of the grounds, Hagrid was under his wing and
was being
> trained up and eventually took over when Ogg retired or died.
>
> Although Molly doesn't say that Hagrid was around during her
schooldays,
> she doesn't say that he *wasn't*, either. Although there's no
direct
> interaction between her and Hagrid, she never asks who he is, so
it's
> perfectly feasible that Hagrid was there during her school days,
but the
> Keeper of Keys everyone knew and recognised was Ogg. He sat at the
High
> Table at feasts and he was the one everyone knew to be in charge,
but
> Hagrid was around as well.
>
> I have absolutely no problem with the Weasleys having gone to
school well
> after Hagrid and Riddle, especially as this conclusion is reached
largely
> on the grounds that Hagrid dropped an indefinite article (had he
said
> "*kept on as a* gamekeeper", we wouldn't be having this
conversation)...
>
> So, what's more likely: that Hagrid drops an indefinite article,
or that a
> 13 year-old (if large) boy is given one of the most important non-
academic
> jobs at a major school when he's expelled?
Now Me:
Yes GulPlum is right. And if we believe what Tom Riddle says in CoS.
Dumbledore persuaded Dippet to keep Hagrid and *train* him as
gamekeeper. We don't know how long Hagrid was Keeper-in-training and
he could still have been in training when Arthur and Molly went to
school.
You know, I've always thought of Hagrid as older than the Potter's
and yet younger than the Weasley's. So I assumed they went to school
before Hagrid. Perhaps it's just because he's so Young-at-Heart!
-Tanya
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