Dobby/ Betrayal/ Evil!Voldemort/ Harry as 'resilient' child abuse survivor
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Sun Mar 16 10:05:52 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 53844
Seventh Squeal wrote:
<< Very nice. You suggest that we take Dobby at face value. He's the
house elf equivalent of a misfit social visionary. O.K. This still
bothers me, though, because this makes him such a behavioral mutant.
His own house elf comrades treat him like a St. Mungoloid and social
pariah for seeking fulfilment outside of the traditional house elf
status quo. What makes Dobby so anomalous, such a social freak? Can
he be Polyjuice!Dobby? If so who is he? >>
I always thought that it was the quite excessive cruelty with which
the Malfoys are described as treating Dobby which caused him to get
into this free-will stuff. It seems to me that the Malfoys (Dobby
mentioned that they were always happy to remind him to punish
himself) were torturing Dobby for roughly the same sort of pleasure
that they got from torturing Muggles. It seems to me that that a
reasonable owner of a House Elf wouldn't torture their House Elf,
because the torture causes physical injuries that could interfere
with the House Elf doing its work, and a reasonable person would
value the competent, efficient work more than the pleasure of
torturing someone helpless to resist.
Tom Wall wrote:
<<Arguably, Pettigrew's one of the most vile villains we have in the
series, IMHO. Thus far, we don't know that Riddle betrayed any
friends. Sure, he's a killer, but has he actually pulled a Judas or a
Lucifer? >>
Karkaroff betrayed his friends by ratting them out to the Pensieve
court in hope of lightening his own sentence. For that matter, Snape
betrayed *his* friends by ratting them out to the Light Side.
Richard GulPlum wrote:
<< It is only the context which drives the reader to the unambiguous
conclusion that Voldemort's desires and choices are ultimately evil;
there is no indication that he *is* evil, it is his actions (and the
beliefs which fuel them) which are evil. >>
Having seen the 16-year-old Tom Riddle raging about his hatred of his
father, and yearning for the day when he is feared by all wizards, I
don't think we need context to know that his desires are evil ...
bitterness, rage, hatred, vengeance, and general desire to harm
people ...
Brittany wrote:
<< The amazing thing to me about Harry has always been his ability
to keep going, survive, if you will, and not let doubt or low
self-esteem (I hate that term) get in the way of what he feels he has
to do. Most children in his situation would have come out a lot more
traumatized, their character destroyed in many ways. >>
Here is my oft-repeated theory: I think Lily was able, with her
magic, to put an image of herself in her baby's mind, that would be
like an 'imaginary mum' (by analogy with 'imaginary friend') who
would cuddle Harry and tell him that he's a good kid who doesn't
deserve Dursley abuse and tell him about how decent people behave,
thus being that one caring adult ("example of goodness" in previous
paragraph) said to be necessary to even a 'resilient' child's
survival of serious abuse... I kind of think Lily used her last magic
to put this image in his head intentionally, instead of using her
last magic in one last attempt to escape Voldemort. That is the
heroic self-sacrifce that canon credits her, accepting her own death
because it was more important to her to give this protection (from
abusive Dursleys) of her love. I don't know why she would do that if
she really believed that he would be dead seconds after she was, so I
am left sympathetic to the theories that Harry survived AK because of
some magic that had been done on him (presumably by Lily) or that he
had been born with.
When Harry resisted the Imperius Curse, the Curse's Moody-voice in
his head told him to jump up on the desk, and "another voice had
awoken in the back of his brain. Stupid to do, really, said the
voice." I believe that that other voice is what's left of the
image-Lily after all these years; she doesn't appear often, she
appears as Harry's voice instead of her own, but she still is caring
for Harry -- and still has free will.
In addition, so far we've always seen Harry wondering and trying to
find out about his father, and not about his mother. Some say that's
a plot device because JKR is saving some big surprise about Lily, and
some say it's normal because Harry is 11 to 14 so far, puberty and
adolescence, and much more concerned about a male image to identify
with. But *I* say that he doesn't search so much for Lily because,
unknown to himself, he already has her with him.
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