Fawkes: His Age, His Name and the Timing of Ollivander's Wand Production

[Fred Waldrop]

No: HPFGUIDX 54325

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 Steve Wrote:
Also, the name Fawkes isanother bit of JKR naming irony, just as she 
named a dog animagus after the dog star Sirius, and Remus after a boy 
raised by wolves. This is something in the real world between JKR and 
her readers. There is no indication in the fictional world of the 
book, that Fawkes was named after Guy Fawkes.

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 Martin Wrote:
That is a valid argument. However I argue with equal validity that 
the names are more than just a play on words between JKR and her 
readers. I argue that the names are real in the WW and are based on 
actual historical (our-world) characters. JKRs world draws so much 
from our-world mythology that the two must be the same world for 
the "jokes" to work. If Fawkes the phoenix isn't named after Fawkes 
the gunpowder-plotter there *is* no play on words and no point in 
naming him thus in the book.
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Hello all, Fred Waldrop here

Ok, on the one hand, Fawkes is not that old, but could still live a 
very long age. He was nameed after Guy Fawkes who died in 1606, and 
could not be Godric Griffindor in animagus form.   
On the other hand, Fawkes is very old, named after an older version 
of "Fawkes", ie, "The name Fawkes is a lot older than Guy Fawkes and 
has it origins in "the name Faux (also: Fox, Foxx, Foxe, Faix, Fauks, 
Fawks, Fawkes, Fowkes, Fochs, Focks, Foks, Foux, Fowks)", and could 
possibly be Godric Griffindor in animagus form.

Now this is how I see it, The Pheniox we all love, is named after Guy 
Fawkes, but was named "Fawkes" a long time before Guy Fawkes was 
born. After all, we do not know if Godric Griffindor could see into 
the future, but seeing as how he was well before his own time in 
allowing "muggle born" W&W into school, he must have been able to see 
something from the future.
So, if Griffindor could see the future, he must have seen someone 
that had a holiday named for himself, Guy Fawkes. Hence, he named his 
Pheniox "Fawkes" after Guy Fawkes from the future. Or, he named 
himself, in animagus form "Fawkes" the same way.

Fred