[HPforGrownups] Slytherin's behavior at the GoF final feast (was Re: Dumbledore's awarding of points PS/SS)

[Ladi lyndi]

No: HPFGUIDX 57090

--- Heidi wrote:
> Also, Darren keeps accusing the Slytherins of
> cheating in Quidditch. 
> 
> There are hundreds of ways to foul in
> Quidditch, but - perhaps someone more familiar
> with basketball or soccer can explain - if you
> foul someone, is that a cheat? Or does it -
> presuming fair refs - just lead to the other
> side getting a penalty shot?

Lynn:

That depends on how you look at the foul.  To me,
if you're just trying to stop someone from
scoring, that's a foul.  When you try to stop
them from scoring by deliberately injuring them
to take them out of the game, that's cheating. 
Also, if you deliberately try to injure someone
who isn't in a scoring position, that's cheating.

For example:  In PS, Flint blocks Harry as Harry
is going for the Snitch.  If Flint was just
trying to block Harry to prevent him from getting
the snitch, that's a foul even if Harry had
accidently gotten hurt.  If Flint purposely
blocked Harry in such a way as to try to make
Harry fall off his broomstick which could injure
him and take him out of the game, then that's
cheating.

In PoA, the match between Gryffindor and
Slytherin, has some good examples.  (paraphrasing
text, PoA, pp. 226-229, UK)  Angelina had just
scored and didn't have the Quaffle.  She was
nearly thrown from her broom as Flint went
smashing into her. That was cheating, not a foul.
 It was called an unprovoked attacked and was
done to deliberately injure a player with the
intention of taking her out of the game (I
personally don't believe Flint when he says he
didn't see her).  You could argue that Fred
Weasley also cheated when he chucked his Beater's
club at Flint after that.  How much that club
could injure a player and take them out of the
game would be the deciding factor.  Though, on
Fred's side, it was a reaction rather than a
direct action so it probably was a lucky shot
that he hit Flint.  Still, an argument could be
made either way.

Continuing on, when Montague seizes Katie Bell's
head rather than the Quaffle in such a way that
Katie cartwheeled in the air and just managed to
stay on her broom, that's cheating, deliberate
attempt to prevent someone from scoring by
causing them injury.

The two beaters, Bole and Derrick zoomed toward
Harry with their clubs raised.  They were
attempting to cheat by injuring but were
outsmarted by Harry.

Bole hitting Alicia saying he thought she was a
bludger was cheating.  George Weasley elbowing
Bole in retaliation would be a foul as it doesn't
appear that George was attempting to injure Bole
enough to take him out of the game.

Bole and Derrick hitting the bludgers at Wood
when he wasn't trying to defend the goals was
cheating.

Malfoy grabbing onto Harry's Firebolt was a foul.
 He attempted to stop someone from scoring
without injuring the person.

Penalty shots don't matter if the other team
purposely injures a key player, and in Quidditch
they are all key.  They then have an unfair
advantage in the game that penalty shots will
never make up.  In basketball and soccer when a
player deliberatly fouls someone with intent to
injure, they are thrown out of the game.  In ice
hockey, their team is penalized by that player
having to sit out a specified period of time and
the injured team gets a definite advantage.  In
addition, many times the league will penalize the
player and/or the team by fines or making the
offending player sit out a specified period of
games.  Of course, in my opinion, it should be
even harsher.  If someone on a team deliberately
fouls with intent to injure and does injure, the
team of the offender should lose a player of
equal importance to the team for the amount of
time the injured player is lost to their team.

In this game, if players could be sent off as
they are in basketball or soccer when they foul
with the intent to injure, Slytherin would have
been left with the Keeper, one Chaser and their
Seeker.  In my opinion, based on this game,
Slytherin cheats.

Lynn

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