The Diary; LV's mudblood ancestry
Monita
valkyrievixen at yahoo.com
Thu May 8 16:10:43 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 57341
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "maria_kirilenko"
<maria_kirilenko at y...> wrote:
< snipped answers pertaining to my own comments on the potency of
Lucius Malfoys magical ability and his motivations for instigating
the events of COS>>
Ok, Maria you have succeeded in animating me :) I think i will take
up your gauntlet and have a little wield about, to see if I can't
edge your perspective on these things a little closer to mine.
I am not, per se, "sure" that Dobby wasn't baited by Mr Malfoy. Thus
causing his pursual of Harry. In fact I am willing to concede that it
is very likely that he was. Although,.. what is your take on that?
Did he bait Dobby to keep Harry away from Hogwarts during that year
or was that an unplanned anomaly?
Honestly, I dont believe that Lucius wanted Harry to be absent during
the opening of the Chamber, and, failing any faith in a possibility
of Lucius making such an early blunder in his plot, as to have his
elf almost prevent Harry attending Hogwarts at all...............
I would have to say that two large loopholes just appeared in this
other wise applicable argument.
We haven't seen a cunning Lucius?
Was it not his cunning that had him placed as the Head of Hogwarts
school?
I see absolutely no reason to believe he has used his power as a
Wizard to get him anything, anywhere. I have, however, on numerous
occassions, observed that Lucius is notorious for his use of trickery
and foul play, to make things happen his way in the WW.
He bribes and blackmails his way in to positions of power and
influence.
It is reasonable to say, we havent seen him use magic yet so how can
we judge? However, there has been at least one occassion in the books
where he could have used magic, but, appeared to run like a coward.
One would be at the resolution of COS, when Dobby threatened to use
magic on him. Did he attempt to continue, beyond the threat of a
HouseElf, to do his worst? No, he ran.
Ok, so you could say we dont have evidence to call him a brilliant
mind. However, it doesnt take a brilliant mind to be smooth,
confident and premeditating.
Why would he use the diary at 'Hogwarts?' to, primarily, bring upon
Arthur Weasley? a downfall of his muggle protection act?
Hogwarts and Wizard homes are very separate things. The Diary applied
at Hogwarts, the protection act applied in Wizard Homes. How did
Lucius correlate the two? I ask.
It couldnt just be a simple matter of embarrassing Arthur, surely?
If it was, why, would he not have instructed Draco to throw suspicion
on Ginny once he had gained control of the ministry. A feat he
managed by playing on their fear that Dumbledore was flailing. That
would have been the pivotal ingredient, in a plot formed implicitly
for the sake of veangeance on the Weasley's. Yet. He did not do it.
In fact further than planting the diary on Ginny, he took no action
to implicate Arthur or the Weasley Family in the crisis.
Why? Because he had gotten what he wanted already. He had taken
Dumbledore from his seat of power and put Harry and his friends in
mortal danger.
After managing that he put up his feet and refrained from further
strategising. I assume because he counted on Tom Riddle to do the
rest.
I don't think he had 'no' reason to believe that Tom Riddle would not
take up arms against the famous Harry Potter. My assumption is that
he, being a man of wealth, knew he was in possession of a Dark Wizard
Treasure in that diary. I have called Lucius weak as a sorcerer but I
would not go so far as to say he is ignorant of the value of his own
possessions. There would have been some myth and mystery surrounding
the treasure he kept, and I am sure he had some confidence in a
probable rumour that Lord Voldemort was stored within it. A very
valuable treasure indeed. Which is likely to be the reason he didnt
use it at some earlier time. Something of a Picasso perhaps?
As for Harry being no threat to Lucius.........
The training of a young wizard with such mysterious powers as Harry's
would threaten any one on the opposing side to Harry. Is it not
canon, Lucius likely sent his son, Draco, to his first year at
Hogwarts with instructions to, shall we say, "recruit" Harry to his
own following? We know it quickly failed, and so then Lucius had
Harry's first year to plot a way to eliminate this, now, threat to
the Dark Wizards reign. Namely a fully qualified Wizard HP on the
side of good.
In Harry's second year he instigated, what he believed to be a
foolproof plot, to pit the inexperienced and incapable Harry against
the strong and capable Tom Riddle. How could he not be of the
assumption that somewhere in Hogwarts, someone would tell Tom, that
Harry Potter defeated the Dark Lord Voldemort! and was here in this
very school! with me! how amazing! Try being a teenager in the
company of celebrity and able to completely disregard it. Its a small
proportion of youngsters who fit that bill.
Of course the diary would come by the hands of some child that would
gush about the most amazing child of all wizard time being his/her
classmate. Its an elementary proposition. Even a dummy like Lucius
could make that connection. Its a 95% confidence interval.
He could assume easily that Harry would be endangered by Tom Riddle
at sometime in the year. Even if the gushing classmate syndrome didnt
take Harry would surely pursue anyone who attacked his dear muggle
friend Hermione.
I'd like to be nice for a second, though.
Ok, I agree that the bumping into the Weasleys could have been
partially, if not fully, planned. It may not have been sheer
coincedence, you are quite right. How far ahead he planned is my only
question. :p
Oh, and Last, but most certainly not least.
We havent seen Dumbledore do any difficult magic?
Aha, but, we are aware that Dumbledore is actively sorcering in the
wizarding world, at the utmost levels beyond the comprehension of his
students, through whom we view him. Also, If you don't think the
rescue of Harry from Godrics Hollow, the protection of Harry
throughout his life, the management of Hogwarts, the instilled fear
in the self proclaimed "greatest wizard of all time", and respect of
talented academics such as Snape and Macgonagall constitutes no
evidence of powerful wizardry, I dont know how to prove to you what
does.
> Well, we haven't seen Dumbledore do much difficult magic either?
Valky
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