We live stereotypes - awarding the bravery???!!!

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 57857

Koticzka wrote:


> Some answers for darrin_burnett first:
> 
> Some people are trying to enter new moral or ethic rule: "If 
> you are right, no matter what the other rules are". Yes, most of 
rules are established to be broken, one can say. But. Still "BUT" - 
when you break the rule because you need it (steal some food to 
survive, kill 
> in selfdefence) - that might be eventually be forgiven. But for 
> pleasure? For fun? For reward? That is not what I could 
call "higher priority". 

But Harry, Ron and Hermione and Neville didn't break the rules in 
going after the Stone for pleasure, fun, or reward. In fact, Harry 
specifically dismisses the entire idea of losing house points when he 
says, paraphrasing, "Don't you get it? If Voldemort gets the stone, 
there won't BE a House Cup."

He's completely reprioritized his life. Instead of worrying about 
points, he's trying to do what he thinks is right. And, Neville, 
though he IS worried about points, is trying to do the right thing 
too.

So, to suggest they got the points for rule-breaking in the name of 
fun is to grossly mischaracterize the issue.

>Be like a Slyth for a  while. You are not lucky to get into trouble 
like Harry and his  crowd. You work hard, sometimes even honestly ;) 
to make your  infamous House win against everybody, because you were 
sorted into it 

Again, without Draco's getting Harry, Neville and Hermione in 
trouble, the points would have been much, much closer. And further 
say there is no Stone to mess with (and earn points from). The 
standings would have been Slyth just slightly ahead.

BUT... Harry would have played Quidditch against Ravenclaw, and 
chances are, they wouldn't have lost so badly.

Slytherin was ahead on the strength of trickery. Sure, they earned 
points through good marks, but so did Gryffindor. Without Draco's 
stunt, it's nearly even.


- and suddenly an old freaky wizard is rewarding Harry for 
> something he did (Beg your pardon - what in fact is the reason, 
what did he do?)

I don't believe I'm still having this debate. What did he do?

Oh... beat Flitwick's flying charm, took on the Dark Lord, who was 
inhabiting the body of the DADA teacher, figured out Dumbledore's 
puzzle and lived to tell the tale.

Showed bravery and self-sacrifice. Nothing much.

Please, stop trying to play it that Harry -- and the others -- did 
nothing down beneath the school. Argue if you will that Harry's 
bravery, Hermione's cleverness and Ron's self-sacrifice are 
outweighed by the fact that they were out of their beds, but PLEASE 
stop treating their actions as nothing.


> You do not need to be Slyth and lose The Cup to feel something 
> unfair in the air. Try imagine Raveclaw and Hufflepuff, too.
> 

Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs were cheering the Gryffindor victory -- 
and the Slytherin loss. They seem OK with it.

Darrin