[HPforGrownups] Re: We live stereotypes - awarding the bravery???!!!

[Koticzka]

No: HPFGUIDX 58019

Hello, Darrin! I look forward your further messages, I appreciate your voice
in discussions very much! Yet, it is hard to keep a finger on so many topics
that I am keen on. How do people find time for updating so often? I demand
fewer conferences and seminars and more time for surfing instead of
insurance and coffee-breaks at work.

 So what I was about?

From: darrin_burnett

Koticzka wrote at first:
>when you break the rule because you need to (steal some food to survive,
kill in self defence) - that might be eventually be forgiven. But for
pleasure? For fun? For reward? That is not what I could call "higher
priority".

Darrin wrote:

>>But Harry, Ron and Hermione and Neville didn't break the rules in going
after the Stone for pleasure, fun, or reward. In fact, Harry specifically
dismisses the entire idea of losing house points when he says, paraphrasing,
"Don't you get it? If Voldemort gets the stone, there won't BE a House Cup."

***Koticzka's comment: I know that the Trio was not look for fun and was concious of the risk as much as kids might be (not ironically, just noticing
the young minds!). Yet winning The Cup seems fun to me. It is a reward, I
know the idea. I understand the point that the Trio should be rewarded for what
they have done. Why with The Cup? (Because it would hurt more, the Sheriff
of Nottingham would answer probably - Alan Rickman's accent - might be
amusing, however useless here).

As I remember, there are a couple of other means to reward a student, especially
a single one (or three of them, not the whole House at once) - mentioned in the
books. But it must have been points toward The Cup.

Darrin wrote:
>>Again, without Draco's getting Harry, Neville and Hermione in trouble, the
points would have been much, much closer. And further say there is no Stone
to mess with (and earn points from). The standings would have been Slyth
just slightly ahead... etc<< (lots of sensible arguments, Koticzka admits!)

***Koticzka's comment: I already pointed out that I consider it "an eye for an eye" which is "unfair for unfair" in this particular case. I deny admitting
anything else unless it's proven that Dumbledore acted according to the rules by suddenly giving extra points!

Darrin quoting Koticzka:
> and suddenly an old freaky wizard is rewarding Harry for
> something he did (Beg your pardon - what in fact is the reason,
what did he do?)

>>I don't believe I'm still having this debate. What did he do?
Oh... beat Flitwick's flying charm, took on the Dark Lord, who was
inhabiting the body of the DADA teacher, figured out Dumbledore's
puzzle and lived to tell the tale.

Showed bravery and self-sacrifice. Nothing much.<<

***Koticzka's comment: Sorry, little misunderstanding - I was trying to show
what other kids could have felt and thought of the accident. So those would be
words/thoughts of a Slytherin student watching the Headmaster with surprise at
least. DADA teacher and Voldemort under his skin - still unconcious of
Snape's betrayal? - I am still trying to solve Riddle's riddle... It is
not connected, I know.

Darrin wrote:
>>Please, stop trying to play it that Harry -- and the others -- did nothing
down beneath the school. Argue if you will that Harry's bravery, Hermione's
cleverness and Ron's self-sacrifice are outweighed by the fact that they
were out of their beds, but PLEASE stop treating their actions as nothing.

***Koticzka's comment: I actually read the book while jumping on the seat and
scared that Ron might really be hurt. I was trying to help Hermione solve
Snape's riddle (laugh). I was almost sure that Harry would win but ALMOST is
killing... I have my heart in the right place - on my left side (smirk). I
am not a monster. I am trying to be as honest as possible in crazy
times - and I have experienced that wise and honest paths sometimes are not only
painful but really cause suffering (forgive poor grammar). 

And this is the message
I am trying to pass on. This is what I would like to teach children.
Please, notice that I do not complain about the Trio. But DUMBLEDORE. It is not the way you give a crystal example. And no matter how full of compassion I am
for those kids who suffer humiliation because of every possible reason
(Hermione's solitude touches me most, how long it takes to become wise
enough not to be too wise? but it would be Slytherin's path, wouldn't it?).

Well, although Harry is accused of egoism sometimes (well... maybe a bit) -
I cannot remember the message or the author now - he did not deserve in any moment such treatment.

Well, far as I am from becoming a saint, the words above are really not empty for
me.

Darrin wrote:

>>Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs were cheering the Gryffindor victory -- and the
Slytherin loss. They seem OK with it.<<

***Koticzka's comment: Yes... Well, I cannot resist the impression that
nobody likes the Slyths. They do not have an easy life either, I suspect. This
is why I like them - for getting on with it. With their families,
prejudices, hatred. Perhaps this is also why Snape favours them - because
they need someone to trust in? To always be by their side, no matter the
circumstances? 

It is not my idea, I met in some fanfiction story ("Whole
Again" by Leila B, I guess) and I liked it. It is not about compassion, it
is something more - strenghening their own personalities? Giving credit of
trust? I cannot name it, cannot think it of right now to explain.
Slytherins' victory has never been shown joyfully, has it? Especially in
movies. Oh, yes, they work for it, but this is about stereotypes, which tend
to work both sides - we are what the others want us to be...
Before you answer - I know that Harry needs a mentor too - and he finds him.
"We like Harry Potter!" Well, like him further. But let us not be blind
nor live stereotypes.

Koticzka
How can you hurt a man who has nothing?
Give him something broken.

P.S.
Forgive some strange letters and words, my rat is writing this time with
me... :))) And I might have missed more than usually...