Lily Evans Potter relationship to Voldemort
annemehr
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Sat May 17 01:56:54 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 58034
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "alexcukier" <acukier at u...>
wrote:
> Darrin wrote:
>> pg 134 UK (Grim Defeat)
>> - Not Harry, please no, take me, kill me instead--"
>> Later on the page. "-Not Harry! Please... have mercy... have
>>mercy..."
>> Obviously we don't know for sure that this is what really happened,
>> but I tend to believe this is Harry's subconscious memories, and
>>they
>> are fairly accurate.
>> And in the first film, the James and Lily death scene, which
>>Lexicon
>> (I believe) considers canon because JKR wrote it, Lily wasn't
>> attacking."
>
> Now Alex:
>
> I believe that we are in the right track about the real motives
> Voldemort had to kill Harry. If you read carefully the quote above
we
> can see that:
> 1) Lilly knew that Voldemort wanted to kill Harry (possibly the
> motive, too).
> 2) She believed(or hoped) that she could be killed instead of Harry
> (what turns stronger that she would know the motive).
> 3) Voldemort were ther to kill at least Harry and SHE REALLY COULD
> NOT BE KILLED, or her words would be in vain (because she would be
> killed anyways...)
>
> That brings the old discussion about Mrs Trellawney first correct
> prediction or some black magic in order to give voldemort esternal
> Life.
>
Annemehr:
Alex, you have piqued my interest with your #2 point above. However,
I am going to hop right off the line of thinking about Trelawney's
first prediction, because it's in danger of turning into a cliche.
So, you point out that it seems Lily believed she could be killed
*instead* of Harry, eh? I have an idea...
What if Lily had done something *big* in the fight against Voldemort?
What if she'd personally *earned* Voldemort's fury? Perhaps Lily had
come up with a very effective charm or something that is now giving
the DE's trouble or had foiled a plot close to LV's heart? And since
then LV has been (patiently, for over a year) out for revenge.
And the revenge is to be the death of her child.
So, her last words are, "take me instead," and, "have mercy."
Annemehr
"I am /not/ going to be murdered," Harry said out loud.
"That's the spirit, dear," said his mirror sleepily.
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