[HPforGrownups] Re: Hermione and her time -turner and a Snape theory

[Kelly Grosskreutz]

No: HPFGUIDX 58388

Becky:
>
>       1. Snape knew about the time turner and when Dumbledore
> brought up being in two places at once, he realized that HH had used
> it to save Buckbeak and Sirius. Additionally, he caught the
> *twinkle* in Dumbledore's eyes and also realized that their actions
> had been sanctioned and maybe even suggested by the headmaster. His
> loyalty to Dumbledore took over and the result was for him to clam
> up and leave the room before his anger made him compromise
> Dumbledore in front of Fudge.
>
>       2. Snape had no idea that Hermione had been using a time
> turner all year as his class was not one of the classes that
> Hermione had concurrantly. ( As a core class, schedueling wise it
> could not conflict with any of the elective classes.) And his
> reaction was one of pure frustration.
>
>      When I started out to write this post I was going to say that I
> was of the opinion that choice two was the correct one. However, as
> I put my thoughts into words, I have convinced myself that #1 is
> most probably the case.  It makes the most sense. Dumbledore trusts
> Snape. We have heard him say so several times in canon. Therefore,
> Snape, especially since he is a former DE (with Dumbledore's full
> knowlege of that fact), must have  an extrordinarily strong sense of
> loyalty to both Dumbledore and the *light side*. If Snape's sense of
> loyalty is as strong as I think it is, he would not have betrayed
> Dumbledore's actions in front of Fudge, (but I'm sure they had quite
> a conversation in Dumbledore's office after Fudge left).
>
I agree with you that Dumbledore trusts Snape, and that Snape has a very
strong affiliation to Dumbledore.  However, I do vote for #2.  I think Snape
was truly furious with everything that was going on, and that he was not
acting, although he is quite capable of acting.  We may not know everything
that was going on with Snape and/or Dumbledore that night, but I don't
ascribe to the MAGIC DISHWASHER theory where Snape was in the know for every
last thing that was going on that night and was in control of everything
except being knocked out by the students.  I do think Snape was clued in to
a lot of things after the fact, though, once he had calmed down.
>
>       On a totally different subject...
>
>       A new thought just occured to me. What if Snape's original
> loyalty to was to Dumbledore and loyalty to the cause of good is a
> result of Dumbledore's persuasion and influence in his life? Could
> Snape's loyalty be because of something Dumbledore did for him as
> opposed to something horrible that LV or the DEs did?
>
This reminds me of a theory a friend of mine wrote up awhile back.  She is
not a member of this list, but did post her theory as an essay to her page.
In essence, she argues that Snape was groomed all along by Dumbledore to be
his agent, and that he was a plant in Voldemort's organization.  For those
interested in reading the full essay (where she goes on about some other
things as well), it can be found at http://www.wookieehut.com under Stories
and Things, then Essays and Rants.  It is entitled Snape Is a Plant.
>
>     -Linda, would an ISP for wizards be called WOL?

As long as it's not called AWOL.  8)

Kelly Grosskreutz
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