Unforgivables (was: Re: WW Ethics...)

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 58705

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Becky Walkden 
<runningbecky2002 at y...> wrote:
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> One last wierd thing on that point.  Remember the trick Sirius 
pulled on Snape?  Almost leading him to his death?  Remember what the 
punishment would have been? (Snape mentioned it to Harry).  Being 
expelled from Hogarts.  So, either killing somebody isn't as great a 
crime as it is in our society OR getting expelled must be a terrible, 
terrible punishment.  I guess living in the WW world and not allowed 
to do magick would be a terrible punishment.  For killing Moaning 
Myrtle, that was Hagrid's only punishment. (yea he was innocent but he 
was considered quilty by all but Dumbledore).  Huggs Becky

Annemehr:
I was paging through CoS today, and I found this from Ch. 15, 
"Aragog" [Harry speaking first]:

|"They think, up at the school, that Hagrid's been setting a -- a -- 
|something on students.  They've taken him to Azkaban."
|
|Aragog clicked his pincers furiously, and all around the hollow the 
|sound was echoed by the crowd of spiders; it was like applause, 
|except applause didn't usually make Harry feel sick with fear.
|
|"But that was years ago," said Aragog fretfully.  "Years and years 
|ago.  I remember it well.  That's why they made him leave the school. 
|They believed /I/ was the monster that dwells in what they call the 
|Chamber of Secrets.  They thought that Hagrid had opened the Chamber 
|and set me free.""

Harry says "They've taken him to Azkaban," and Aragog replies "But 
that was years ago."  Can Aragog really mean that Hagrid, at about age 
fourteen, was put into Azkaban, or is he just being imprecise?

If you look in the previous chapter, when Fudge arrives to take Hagrid 
away, Hagrid is clearly terrified as if he feared going *back* to 
Azkaban; yet in PoA, Ern (the Knight Bus driver) can't even stand to 
talk about dementors, and he'd never been to Azkaban.  So, besides 
Harry's conversation with Aragog, there aren't any real clues.

Still, I think that after Hagrid was expelled, he was sent to the 
prison, at least at first, and Dumbledore helped get him out (it would 
certainly go far to help explain Hagrid's devotion to him).  And I 
think that getting expelled from Hogwarts is quite a terrible 
punishment, I just don't think it was Hagrid's only punishment.

Annemehr