[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore, Organ Grinder (Fair is foul and foul is fair.)

[Master Clef]

No: HPFGUIDX 85512

tigerpatronus wrote:...

>>DD has done quite a few things that seem best on the surface, but another, more sinister interpretation also exists for each one. For example: 

Leaving HP with the Dursleys (backstory and PS/SS): ostensibly so he wouldn't grow up the Boy Prince, but really this should have stunted his emotional growth and, in any other person but our wonderful Harry, would have produced a sociopath who would have killed without mercy, perhaps recreating Tom Riddle's tortured past in a *Boys from Brazil* kinda way. <<

Clef:

I agree, it should have stunted his emotional growth, or produced a quiet, emotionally abused, flinching at human contact boy. (Not quite a sociopath, humans are very rarely true sociopaths, more like missing a piece here and there, or ignoring the rules, but they do understand the rules.)

>>Withholding Occlumency lessons (OotP): ostensibly to conceal their *special* relationship, but leaving Snapey in charge of Harry's lessons and never even checking up or having someone else check up meant that HP actually received no training and was, well, an open book for Tom Riddle to read all about the Order and the DA and how to kill Sirius. <<

Clef:

Part of me believes that Dumbldore meant to have Riddle read Harry's mind (e.g. "come...find the weapon... come out and find the weapon, show yourself to the Ministry...") as well as use Harry's connection for his own gain (mainly, "He's trying to get through this door, where the walls spin..." and in Aurthur Weasley's case "Oh, Riddle's almost there, okay, plan g can go into effect..."). 

>>The Organ Grinder has to be someone who is introduced early, otherwise the reversal will have no impact. Bringing in a new, hitherto-unknown person at then end of Book 6 or sometime in Book 7 would not have the impact of a betrayal.<<

Agreed. If, say, it was Mark Evans, via time-turner, it just wouldn't feel right. DD, maybe Snape, another person suggested Lupin (PoA Am. version pg 375, "...You should have realized, if Voldemort didn't kill you, we would."), Malfoy (of course), being a girl part of me wants it to be Narcissa, whom we know so little about.

>>Also, in the logical vein, the Grinder is probably someone from the original Order who is reprising his/her role as mole / Secret Mastermind. DD fits this. Also, DD is the only one LV ever feared. Did Voldy fear him so much because DD was his master?  <<

Another good point. DD is the only one LV feared, and is far older than everyone else. The longer someone lives with power, the more they like it. JKR says DD is 150, but the time-line won't work if Flamel is 665(+?--is he dead by the end of book one?), I'm sorry, this topic must have already been discussed, but I think DD is over 500, and DD's chessboard is several hundred times bigger than LV's.  

DD is so good, he seems too good to be true, which means he probably is. WS isn't kidding when he said fair is foul and foul is fair. He also calls Riddle, "Lord Voldemort" (CoS Am. vers. pg.329 and on), and as Harry pointed out to Snape in book 5 only DE's call him "Lord Voldemort." Or maybe book 2 was a slip up, b/c I can't find DD saying it again in any subsequant books. But then, if DD is above Riddle, he wouldn't call him his Lord, would he?

~Clef



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