Dumbledore, Organ Grinder (Fair is foul and foul is fair.)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 85684

> Clef wrote:
> 
> > DD is so good, he seems too good to be true, which means he 
> probably is. WS isn't kidding when he said fair is foul and foul is 
> fair. He also calls Riddle, "Lord Voldemort" (CoS Am. vers. pg.329 
> and on), and as Harry pointed out to Snape in book 5 only DE's call 
> him "Lord Voldemort." Or maybe book 2 was a slip up, b/c I can't find 
> DD saying it again in any subsequant books. But then, if DD is above 
> Riddle, he wouldn't call him his Lord, would he?
> 
> Berit:
> 
> Just a little clarification: The DE's call their master "the Dark 
> Lord", not "Lord Voldemort". they respect him/are too afraid of him 
> to call him by his real name. Bellatrix went berserk when Harry dared 
> to say his name in MoM... Only Dumbledore and Harry calls him "(Lord) 
> Voldemort" (in OoP others like Hermione start doing it as well). So, 
> DD saying "Lord Voldemort" is not really an argument for 
> him "sympathizing" with Voldemort... Why is he using the 
> title "Lord"? I don't know; maybe he's just being polite :-) He 
> always insists on Harry addressing Snape as "Professor"... 


The DEs (and Snape) refer to LV in the third person as the Dark Lord;
the DEs address him directly as "my lord" (as Snape also must have
done in his late teens and early twenties). Dumbledore and Harry (and
young Tom Riddle) use Lord Voldemort or Voldemort in the third person.
I don't remember Harry using any name at all in directly addressing
Voldemort, but Dumbledore calls him Tom, reminding him of his origins,
a point I'll return to in a minute. 

To speak of someone in the third person as Lord so and so (for example
Lord Byron or Lord Tennyson) is not at all the same as addressing him
as "my lord" in person. One is a simple recognition of a title (like
referring to Elizabeth II as Queen Elizabeth), the other is an
acknowledgment of superior power or social status (like addressing the
queen as "your majesty," which few Americans would do--I can't speak
for the English). 

Granted, Voldemort's lordship is self-created, but his power over the
Death Eaters is real (as his treatment of Avery, Rookwood, and
Pettigrew shows). Even his "slippery friend" Malfoy calls him "my
lord" to his face. For Dumbledore to speak of him as Lord Voldemort
when he's not present is not to speak of him as *his* lord but only to
acknowledge his power. To call him "Tom" to his face is something else
again. It strips him of power and reduces him to his muggle-born,
orphaned boyhood. There's something of pity and regret there, but also
of putting Voldemort in his place, as if he's saying, "I know who and
what you really are, and I know how you can be defeated."

Carol, who doesn't think Dumbledore is the Organ Grinder