Could Time-Turner be used to save Black?

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No: HPFGUIDX 82163

NakedHermione:
> A thousand pardons to the group if this question has already been 
> asked but...
> Could the Time-Turner used by Hermione in POA (to save Black the 
> first time) also be used to go back in time and save Sirius from 
> being killed by Bellatrix in OOTP? If so, why hasn't any of 
> Dumbledore's crew thought of it? Is it not possible after someone 
has 
> already died?

Then Amanda:
Even if the idea occurred to anyone, and they tried it, they would 
fail. Because, even if the idea itself hasn't happened yet, we have 
*already experienced* the time to which they would return, and Sirius 
died. The events they want to affect have already happened.

Take Buckbeak--he was never actually killed. They didn't go back and 
*change* things--they were simply a part of the things that did 
occur, that already had happened. If an attempt to save Sirius were 
made, we would already have seen that attempt during the fight scene, 
and if one was made, it clearly didn't work.

So, I'd have to say no, use of the time-turner wouldn't save him, 
because he's already died. If the time-turner were used to save him, 
he would have survived; we just wouldn't know why yet (much like 
Buckbeak).


My turn:
Sorry Amanda but I have to disagree. We all know JKR doesn't just put 
things in her plot lines for ambiance. Time turners seemed to be a 
big part of that chapter (where theyre in that room with the thing w/ 
the egg & bird). This whole theory has crossed my mind. It took the 
3rd time reading OOTP (this particular chapter at 5am) before it 
clicked. If I remember correctly, in GOF, Dumbledore said you could 
save 2 lives that night. I believe in that area (sorry I don't have 
my book on me for specific hard canon) there was mention of Sirius 
getting his kiss at that moment (not by DD but by someone). Youre as 
good as gone w/ the kiss. I don't see why the time turner couldn't be 
used to go back to the point where he *should have* used the mirror 
or something? I haven't thought this whole thing through yet, but I 
do believe it's entirely possible. Forgive my lack of hard evidence, 
but I have no clue where any of my books are. We're in the middle of 
remodeling. Anyhow, I'd *love* to see Sirius back somehow (time 
turner or otherwise) because I feel Harry *really* needs him in his 
life. I know the Weasley's are family to him, but Sirius was a part 
of his past & a part of his parents.