[HPforGrownups] Re: Could Time-Turner be used to save Black ?

[Carolina]

No: HPFGUIDX 82193

Amanda:
<< This, I believe, is the source of the confusion about how the
 time- turners work. Although Harry, and we, seem to see a
 "revisit" of earlier events, what we are seeing are actually the
 *exact same events* from a different perspective. >>

No, really, I'm not confussed by that. I just think that is only a 
possible interpretation. 

> If Future!Harry had not been there--as part of the original (and 
only) unfolding of the event, Harry would have died, and thence been 
unable to return to "change" things. 

Read #79045 from sevenhundredandthirteen, my reply number #79099 and 
Talisman's #79635. If this is not explained there, please point it. 

>So. To Sirius. Harry has experienced that event. Sirius died. If 
he, or anyone, decides to take a time-turner back and saved Sirius, 
Harry's memory of the event would include Sirius surviving. It 
doesn't. So nobody *will* be taking a time-turner and doing it, 
either.

> They may even take a time-turner and *try*--but they will fail, 
because the event as it has occurred includes Sirius' death.

It's possible but difficult, risky and the author has not written 
it.

Ok. Let's theorice.  A: witness of Sirius death sends B back in time 
with two instructions: grab a timeturner and trow this little ball 
of busting light into that room at given time. Main instruction 
acomplished, remains the necessity to start the time travel, since 
you obtained what you wanted, the second tt. 

So the time-travel is not erased by the paradox: 

If you travel in time to save sirius and you save him, there is no 
need for the time travel, as he didn't die.

Second task: throw the ball of light. Don't say it's not canon, 
please, muggles can do it. If not, choose launching a bomb of 
pepper, or whatever alters drastically the situation.

In a 'past can be changed', this scenario can be resolved. They will 
remember the pepper (who wouldn't?) so it can be deducted within 
the context of the story, as with Harry and the patronus. It's just 
I don't think it's worth the risk.  

> I'm just saying that she follows her own rules, 
and judging by the way the time-turner operated in PoA, its use to 
*change* an event is not possible. 

I know we are not reading the same book, but my interpretation of 
time is not contradictory with the books, so far.

silmariel