Neville and the Prophecy (Was Re: A litte more on the Prophecy)

[Donna]

No: HPFGUIDX 82263

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kneazle255" <kneazle255 at y...> 
wrote:
> Donna writes:
> 
> OotP pg. 829 US Hardcover Edition - 
> 
> "And then you saw Rookwood, who worked in the Department of 
> Mysteries  before his arrest, telling Voldemort what we had known 
all 
> along - that the prophecies held in the Ministry of Magic are 
heavily 
> protected.  Only the people to whom they refer can lift them from 
the 
> shelves without suffering madness.  In this case, either Voldemort 
> himself would have to enter the Ministry of Magic and risk 
revealing 
>  himself at last - or else you would have to take it for him."
>  
> Once the prophesy is taken from the shelf, then anyone could handle 
> it.  Otherwise, Voldemort would still have to have been at the MoM 
to 
> take the prophesy from Harry.  But he sent his Death Eaters to 
bring 
>  it back to him.  
> 
> Kneazle writes:
> 
> I know. But on the other hand, we don't know if there are other 
> protections on those globes. We don't know because no one else 
> touches it.
> 
> We don't know what Voldemort told the bulk of the deatheaters 
regarding the 
> prophecy or the impact of holding the globe. Voldemort might not 
care if a 
> deatheater goes nuts. Does Rookwood ever ask for it? I know he 
knows. 
> I know he told Voldemort. I don't know what Voldemort told the 
other 
> Deatheaters. 
> 
> But stepping back from all that for a minute, JKR is a bit cagey 
with 
> Neville in the MoM. The bit where Neville takes the prophecy is 
sort 
> of indirect. And then there's the whole humorous aspect of 
Neville's 
> broken nose. It just smells like she's trying to divert us from 
> something really important.
> 
> Neville, the only other possible candidate for the prophecy born at 
> the right time in 1980, is the only other person to hold the 
prophecy 
> almost 16 years later?
> 
> And the MoM has the globe labelled 'Harry Potter(?)' DD assumes 
that 
> it applies just to Harry. So did I. The Ministry does not.
> 
> The coincidence, if that's what it is, coupled with JKR's 
> indirection, is a bit much for me to dismiss out of hand.

But, Kneazle, don't you think if the MoM thought the prophesy applied 
to Neville also, they would have labeled it Harry Potter (?), Neville 
Longbottom (?)

It seems to me the MoM is very literal in how they label the 
prophesies.  If they didn't get so specific, then how could they let 
a person whom the prophesy applied to retrieve the one meant for them?

I don't agree that LV wouldn't care if one of his DE's went insane 
trying to get the prophesy.  If that were true, then he would have 
just sent another DE to retrieve it without the subterfuge of 
capturing Sirius to lure Harry there.

But I do agree there is more to Neville than meets the eye.  He, 
along with the other students in the DA, will be quite important in 
one of the next two books.  Why do I think that?  Well, JKR has 
already introduced us to things in the early stories that played out 
in later books.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do love to read what y'all 
think.  My mind does not tend to want to delve too deeply into the 
motives behind many of the characters.  I like to take JKR at her 
word, albeit with a grain of salt.  I like to be pleasantly (or in 
some cases, not so pleasantly, in the case of Sirius' death) 
surprised.  Later, after all is said and done, I suspect I shall read 
through the entire series of stories and then do my analysis.

D