Pippin, you've done it again! (Was -who will betray the Order?)
samnanya
yswahl at stis.net
Sun Oct 12 16:46:38 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 82770
> pippin_999
> We are looking for someone who is supposed to be
> nice, and close enough to Harry for him to take the betrayal
> personally. I'd say the candidates are: Dumbledore, Hagrid,
> Hermione, Lupin, Molly and Ron. Any others? Most of you know
> which one I'd pick.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/39362
>
> My assessment of ESE!Lupin's motives is out of date. Even I have
> trouble imagining him as a maddog killer,...
>
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Samnanya
Continuation and clarification of my previous post -
>
> OOP pg 804 Lupin is the one who suggests that Harry "round
up the others and GO!" no big deal there -- though he may have
the alterior motive of minimizing the number of possible
witnesses to what he was about to do. By the S/B battle,
only Kingsley and Lupin are still standing -- Tonks is
unconscious and Moody is seriously injured, without his
magical eye, and crawing across the room to help Tonks,
so he wasn't observing much .....
>
> OOP pg 805 --- "Only one couple was were still battling....
Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix's jet of red light: He was
lauging at her. "Come on, you can do better than that!" he
yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.
{{Harry was watching Sirius...... not Bellatrix - there are
several earlier mentions of Harry's field of vision and JKR
is VERY VERY careful to tell the reader exactly what Harry
could and could not see}}
The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.
{{Harry saw the light hit -- he did NOT NECESSARILY see who
attacked Sirius, just that Sirius was hit. Harry ASSUMED it
was Bellatrix who did the hitting. I had assumed that Sirius
and Bellatrix were fighting up close and that Bellatrix was
on the dais with Sirius - that is not necessarily the case
(though probably is).SIRIUS was on the dais because he later
fell into the veil and didnt jump up or down after he was
mortally wounded, but Bellatrix could have been anywhere.
She started out on the dais, but the next time we hear
from her she is BEHIND THE DAIS fighting Kingsley. If she
was on the dais and Sirius was ducking, it would be
difficult for her jet to hit him SQUARELY on the chest}}.
The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes
widened in shock. {{I thought that it was from getting
hit by Bellatrix and his reckless spirit could not believe
that he would die. This attitude of Sirius as a risktaker
was supported all through the books! But now I fear that
"his eyes widened in shock" because he was hit BY LUPIN
and the shock was the shock of BETRAYAL BY A DEAR AND
TRUSTED FRIEND.}}
Harry released Neville, though he was unaware of doing so.
He was jumping down the steps again, pulling out his wand,
as Dumbledore turned to the dais too. {{ Harry was ABOVE
the dais looking down. DUMBLEDORE DID NOT SEE WHAT HAPPENED
since he "turned to the dais too" DD was preoccupied
rounding up the remaining death eaters and did not see
Sirius get hit.}}
It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved
in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged
veil hanging from the arch ....
{{Sirius could have been (and probably was) hit in the
chest from a shot fired BELOW the dais, the force of the
spell forcing him to arch BACKWARD through the veil.
Remember he was ducking Bellatrix' first shot....}}
And Harry saw the look of mingled fear and suprise on his
godfather's wasted, once handsome face as he fell ....
{{look of suprise mentioned a SECOND time - a usual sign
that JKR wanted us not to forget it, though not the reason
for the suprise....}}
Harry heard Bellatrix Lastrange's triumphant scream ......
{{which JKR mentions because she wants THE READRES to think
that Bellatrix had something to do with Sirius' death ....
Harry sure linked the two together...
and now the coup de grace ...........}}
But as he reached the ground and sprinted towards the dais,
Lupin grabbed Harry around the chest ....
{{LUPIN WAS AT GROUND LEVEL BELOW THE DAIS !!!
IF SIRIUS DUCKED BELLATRIX' SHOT AND WAS LOOKING AT HER,
HE WOULD BE DEAD MEAT IF LUPIN FIRED A SPELL AT HIM
FROM BELOW.... JKR also made sure that Bellatrix was below
the dais in her next scene with Kingsley to have a way out
if the Lupin theory became too widely known. She could say
that Bellatrix killed Sirius after all if she
changed her mind later.}}
Only thing missing is a solid evil motive. Lupin could have
been turned just because of the prejudice that wizards have
borne towards werewolves, but is it enough? He might not
even be loyal to or working for Voldemort and is just acting
as a "lone wolf" (sorry, I couldnt resist that).
I mean, why do all evildoers have to be loyal to the
marginally competent Dark Lord ?
Hmmmmm.........
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For anyone who thinks the above is a good example of
blibbering, pls read Pippin's post .......
I am convinced that Lupin (is/will be) the traitor to
the order ... as Pippin said in her first post, please
somebody, prove me wrong ........ please...
One more thing.... Worse yet for my hopes of how the story
will turn out, I am a huge Luna fan, and the paths of Lupin
and Luna will definitely cross...... Luna for good and
Lupin for evil.
More on this in a later post.
Samnanya
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