Killer!Lupin (was: Re: Pippin, you've done it again!)

jwcpgh jwcpgh at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 13 12:26:58 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 82825

> KathyK:
> 
<snip>
> It's possible he could be acting alone.  In that case, though, why 
> kill Sirius if not to further Voldemort's cause by hurting Harry?  
> Could it be that Lupin's just grown so bitter and angry over the 
> years toward Sirius who helped ruin his life by tricking Snape 
into the passage under the Whomping Willow? 

Laura:

In what sense did the prank ruin Remus's life?  The Marauders walked 
away from the incident without repercussion, so we're told.  There's 
no evidence that Remus didn't finish school with the rest of his 
class-I can't believe this little piece of information wouldn't have 
come up sometime if it had been the case.  And if Remus had been 
thrown out of school, would he (1) still have his wand and (2) have 
been invited to come back as a teacher?  DD is forgiving but I'm not 
sure even he could have gotten away with hiring a potential killer-
and as soon as Remus was outed, he was gone.  
> 
<snip> Tanya in post 82774:
Another scene came to mind. Remember after Harry is thrown out
> of Snapes office after the pensive (sp) issue.
> 
> He then goes to talk to Lupin and Sirus. The gist of it is that 
Sirus really wants to run and have words to Snape, but Lupin 
strongly insists he is the one to do it, then we have no canon 
saying he actually did.
> 
> KathyK:
> 
> And it makes Lupin look like the good, caring friend we all think 
he is, doesn't it?  He's concerned for Sirius' safety and possibly 
for Snape as well.  He makes it look like he's got everyone's best 
> interest at heart while ensuring the Occlumency lessons wouldn't 
> continue.  Snape gets the blame for stopping the lessons.  No one 
> questions Lupin about it.   
> 
> I just had an "Oooh, Oooh" moment.  The only ones who knew about 
> Lupin's plan to talk to Snape were Harry and Sirius.  What if 
Lupin told Sirius he *had* talked to Snape *and* he'd restarted the 
> Occlumency lessons?  In the aftermath of the battle, if Sirius had 
> lived, it would have come out that Lupin was supposed to talk to 
> Snape.  
> 
> Sirius believed Lupin had and thought the lessons continued.  He 
> would have found out differently after the battle and would have 
> brought to light Lupin's lie, thus blowing Lupin's cover.  So 
Lupin, though it pained him to do so, had to make sure Sirius did 
not survive the battle.  <snip>

Laura:

We have no proof either way whether the conversation between Snape 
and Remus took place.  And whether it did or didn't, the result 
would have been pretty much the same, imo.  Snape would not have 
continued the lessons short of a direct order from DD.  Given the 
relations between Snape and Remus (despite Remus's best efforts to 
treat Snape politely), you can imagine how that conversation would 
have gone.  I'm sure it would have ended with Snape telling Remus to 
[fill in your choice of obscene phrase] and throwing Remus out of 
his office.  

Besides, Remus could easily have told Sirius that he tried talking 
to Snape and Snape refused to continue the lessons.  Sirius would 
believe that in a second (who wouldn't?) and would hardly be 
inclined to ask Snape for confirmation that the discussion took 
place.  

If Remus really wanted to get rid of Sirius, maybe he *would* have 
let him confront Snape.  After their little disagreement in 
Grimmauld Place, Snape might have lost control completely and AK'd 
Sirius right then and there.

Laura, who is absolutely not buying the ESE!Lupin theories.





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