Killer!Lupin (was: Re: Pippin, you've done it again!)
Kirstini
kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Oct 13 10:34:27 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 82814
So, as the character assassins gather round Remus like a bunch of
hungry sharks, a few thoughts occur to me:
Samnaya:
>>In the climactic battle at the MoM, the one assumption that
everyone seems to make including Harry is that Bellatrix killed
Sirius. Even Harry says so in no uncertain terms..... but on a
careful reread and reread again and under the assumption that Lupin
is evil, I am not so sure anymore.....>>
KathyK:
>It even works if Lupin is not evil. Initially I thought Lupin did
it because he was in cahoots with Dumbledore. I now believe
differently, but I still think there is evidence that Lupin could
have killed Sirius without being Evil. That's why I call him Killer!
Lupin rather than Evil!Lupin. Because he fits in a couple different
theories. <snip> However, for clarification there is reason to
believe that Bellatrix was on the dais with Sirius. "As Harry
scrambled up again he looked around and saw Malfoy smash into the
dais on which Sirius and Bellatrix were now dueling." (OoP, US
edition 804)
While no further mention of where Bellatrix is in relation to
Sirius, it is entirely possible that Bellatrix and Sirius were still
on the dais together. I tend to think so. However, it can't be
proven.>
Okayyyy <cracks knuckles>, so how about a little compromise? I'll
take your Killer!Lupin and give you Assassin With Dodgy Aim!Lupin.
Bellatrix and Sirius are up on the dais. Bellatrix uses a spell which
produces a red jet of light - we assume this is a Stunner, but then
we haven't been told what colour the Crustacius curse, for example,
produces. Perhaps Bellatrix's "red light" spell was something so
Unforgivable <g> within the rules of duelling that Remus felt obliged
to step in and help his friend - by eliminating Bellatrix. BUT - the
duel is moving too fast, there's too much confusion to get a proper
aim, he fires, and in an instant, someone else steps into the jet
meant for Ms B. Lestrange... Heartbreak, remorse, guilt...
No? You don't like that one? I wonder why. Possibly because it
doesn't quite fit with the description in the book? Let's look at
that again...new paragraph for dramatic emphasis, JK, well done...
The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.
*Squarely* on the chest. *Squarely*. Right in the centre. As though
it was meant for his chest (hey, I can do these one sentence-emphasis
things too...).
So whoever hit him would have to be facing him dead on. In a duelling
situation, who is most likely to be facing one of the opponents dead
on?
Is it a) The other opponent?
or b) a spectator watching from a lowered position in relation to the
duelling couple?
Right. For Lupin, or Dumbledore, or anyone other than Bellatrix to
have fired that shot, they would have had to be exactly behind
Bellatrix, on the same level, waiting for her to bob down out of the
way so that they could hit Sirius. And, from the little we know about
her, is Bellatrix likely to give off a "triumphant scream" at the
death of an enemy if someone else had robbed her of the pleasure of
killing him? What's that? Very true. It *could* be a
misinterpretation - Harry assumes that it is a triumphant scream when
it's really a scream of frustration. But I don't think that screams
of triumph ("woohoo! I've done it! Whoseya mamma?") sound too much
like screams of frustration ("ARRRRRGH! NO! WHY DID YOU DO THAT? HE
WAS MINE!")even to the grief-stricken ear.
Oh, wait, there's more.
Phil wrote:
>>In talking about the goblins going over to LV, in OOP, 5:
"I think it depends what they're offered," said Lupin. "And I'm
not talking about gold; if they're offered freedoms we've been
denying them for centuries they're going to be tempted."
Lupin might be tempted by an offer from LV to cure him of being a
werewolf.>>
Kathy K:
>Or perhaps Voldemort simply had to offer Lupin the chance to be free
to choose a job, earn a living, and wear clothes without patches and
holes. Lupin is not stupid. He knows his own condition. He'd need
proof that Voldemort had the cure, which I don't think he does. I
don't think Lupin is under the impression that Voldemort is going to
make great strides for him in Human-Werewolf relations but perhaps
Voldemort offered Lupin himself these freedoms and he's decided not
to worry about other werewolves.>
Kirstini rolls up her sleeves and affixes a know-it-all, Hermione-y
expression to her face.
1.) Lupin does care about other werewolves. Think about the scene in
Arthur's hospital ward, where Lupin toddles over to reassure the new
werewolf that it isn't all that bad after all.
2.) No, Lupin isn't stupid. He is however all too aware that
Voldemort's Brave New World is going to be one populated by extremely
violent racists. Racists who don't like people like him, because he
isn't a pure-blood wizard.
3.)Dumbledore, on the other hand, *is* working, and now fighting, for
a more tolerant society. Remus will benefit directly from this.
4.) The person who found the cure is probably in the Australian
equivilant of St. Mungos (nb - *one* hospital for the whole of
Britain?!) living out the effects of Gilderoy Lockhart's Memory Charm
(this is speculation). Dumbledore presumably knows the extent of
Gilderoy's crimes. If the person who really did defeat the Wagga
Wagga Werewolf had worked out a cure, why would Dumbledore keep this
information from one of his trusted Order members, who was
particularly affected by it? Especially if there was a possibility
that said trusted member might be lured away by false hope?
5.) Very few wizards "are up" to making the potion that turns
werewolves into harmless wolves at the full moon.(PoA) Snape is one
of these wizards. Snape works for *Dumbledore*.
All this taken into account, what on earth is Remus to gain from
switching sides? Also, why on earth would a man who struggles to make
friends, who spends much of his time isolated from society, and who
has such an obvious desire to be *liked*, kill off his oldest and
only real friend? Because of some residual bitterness about Snape
finding out about the Prank? It doesn't make sense.
'Come on, you can do better than that!' she yelled, her voice
echoing around the cavernous list.
Kirstini, who wonders if it might be a worthwhile venture setting up
a chapter of Apologists for Remus, and if so, what colour the robes
would be.
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