Guilty Again (Was Death chamber/ancient magic)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 83146

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I actually think that the blood shield 1) is important for 
> undisclosed reasons 2) will play a role before the end of the 
> series, BUT 3) I also think DD has lied about its import so far, 
and 
> 4) I especially don't think it's "protection" explains/justifies
the 
> 10+ years of abuse to which DD consigned Harry. 

Why not? The Dursleys have never treated Harry so badly that he 
wants to die. It's arrogant for us to assume that Harry would have 
preferred a happier but less secure placement.

There is canon for attacks on Harry at Privet Drive. First of all we 
have LV's statement that Harry is better protected at Privet Drive 
than even he knows. That sounds as though Voldemort has tried 
to test the protection.

 The Dursleys have learned that it is not safe to leave Harry alone 
for any period of time.  We suppose that this is because Harry 
has been doing accidental magic. But Harry can only do 
accidental magic when he's angry or upset. 

Why would he have been angry or upset if he was by himself? 
Harry seems to have forgotten an awful lot of his early life at the 
Dursleys. How many times was the house attacked, how many 
times did the Ministry have to come out and obliviate bystanders 
and Harry himself so that he wouldn't give anything away? We 
don't know, but Petunia is certain that leaving Harry alone for a 
moment invites disaster. 

The Death Eaters need not have had orders from Voldemort to 
attack Harry. And *they* can touch Harry as long as they're not 
being possessed.  Pettigrew may have been too timid to risk 
murder for the sake of a wreck of a wizard, but Bellatrix certainly 
wasn't.


Also, why does the runic charm, if it exists, have to be 
Dumbledore's idea? Why couldn't Lily have thought of it? And 
why wouldn't Dumbledore originally  have planned for  Harry to 
have stayed safe at Secret-Keeper protected Godric's  Hollow 
until it was time for him to attend Hogwarts?

 According to Flitwick, Dumbledore suggested using the 
"immensely complex" Secret Keeper charm when one of his 
spies told him that LV was after the Potters...that is, when 
someone told Dumbledore that  LV  had discovered that the 
Prophecy could be about Harry. 

The key here is "immensely complex." Preparations to use the 
secret keeper spell must have been underway *before* 
Dumbledore realized that someone close to the Potters was a 
spy. At that point Dumbledore could guess that Voldemort would 
try to put pressure on the secret keeper, so he offered to be 
secret keeper himself. 

Perhaps Dumbledore considered alternative means of guarding 
Harry and decided that, despite it being compromised, Fidelius 
was still better than anything else he could offer at that time. 

> 
> Talisman now:
> Weeeell, if Fidelius Charm's are so great, why did Harry have 
to go  live with the nasty abusive Dursley's?  In my restaurant you 
can 
> have your choice of menu options, either:
> 
> 1) Fidelius Charm's aren't as wonderful as the professorial 
>gang in  PoA thinks, and DD knew failure was an eventuality 
(though I still  think he would have tweaked things so that the 
breach occurred when  everyone was in place for the rune charm 
scenerio.) 
> 
> Therefore, DD's plan = no Fidelius Charm's going to fool LV, 
the only way to protect Harry is this rune charm (with all the 
attendant  advantages of #2), so I'll get that all set up.  And, we 
better have  the failure happen in close proximity to LV's threat of 
attack, so  that Lily's still hovering over Harry, (she can't stay in 
his room for years). We've got Wormtail here, just dying to pass 
> information.  Now all I have to do is help Sirius have a "bright 
> idea."  
> 
> Or
> 
> 2) Fidelius Charm's are air-tight, but DD just wants to do the 
> Dursley thing because he :1) needs to groom a certain 
mentality in 
> his little "chosen one," 2) has future plans for the blood-pact 
> business, 3) has future plans for the Dursely`s. The rest 
follows #1.<<


What about
3)
Fidelius was  the best option Dumbledore had  because he 
*wouldn't*   ask anybody to die for Harry. Lily comes up with the 
idea on her own, and once she's done it, Dumbledore realizes 
her death has provided a better way to protect Harry than 
Fidelius.

> > 
> > Talisman replied: 
> > Supposedly LV's been too weak to attack until his 
re-bodification  in GoF [and after the disastrous graveyard duel 
he wants to know the rest of the prophecy before he tries 
again].<snip>
> 

Pippin
Voldemort was too weak to  attack  *physically*  But Voldemort 
could have possessed Vernon  or another Muggle and made 
them murder Harry without touching him... by shooting him with a 
gun, for example. To forestall that, the spell on Privet Drive was 
necessary.  

Pippin