First prediction's happened, third possible?

Paul Smith suzie_t666 at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 26 13:41:40 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 83597

Hey everyone,

Just been looking through the FAQs for OotP and a thought occured to 
me when looking at the ones concerned with the prophecy.  Are we 
being lured by JKR into thinking Trelawny's first prediction is more 
important than it actually is?  

Consider Trelawny's second prediction in POA.  In contrast to how her 
first prediction appears, it is relatively short-term.  Apart from 
the "greater and more terrible than ever before" part, the prediction 
is concerned with the events that take place later that night.
What if, contrary to popular belief, the events of the first 
prediction have already happened?  If the second prediction was so 
short-term, I find it entirely plausible, given the necessary 
interpretation, that the first prediction has the same properties.

Here's how I see ambiguous discrepencies in the first prediction, by 
looking at the meaning of certain words.

vanquish
verb  
to defeat an opponent, especially in war: (taken from the Cambridge 
Advanced Learners Dictionary)

If Harry had the power to defeat his opponent (especially in war), 
then he has already done it.  Voldemort was comprehensively defeated 
at Godric's Hollow, and it took him 14 years and the help of a 
servant to be able to reply.

The fact that one of them has to die is trickier, but Voldemort was 
*hit* by an Avada Kedavra, and so in theory did die.  His spirit left 
his body as in death (I wonder what happened to that original body), 
but his spirit, through whatever spell or transformation Voldemort 
had managed, stayed in this world, rather than going on to the next.  

If my theory is right (I won't hold my breath), it means that 
Dumbledore and Harry are both believing something that will put them 
at a disadvantage in the next book(s), and it'll give JKR a big shock 
to deliver to Harry and us readers later on.  Of course it also means 
that both sides have been wasting their time with a redundant 
prophecy for a whole year, which leads me to believe that something 
else has taken place behind the scenes to make the book significant 
as a whole to the series.
Maybe it's enough that Dumbledore and Harry have been misled, but my 
mind wanders again to whatever Wormtail has been up to, and the 
possibility that Trelawny has made a third prediction to someone off-
stage.  Perhaps it's been a little too convenient that her two 
previous predictions were made in the presence of Dumbledore and 
Harry.  Can she control when they happen, and in front of whom?  If 
she has already had her third, was it in front of Umbridge? If so, 
maybe it triggered Umbridge's decision to finally sack Trelawny, and 
in such a public way?  Maybe the fact that Trelawny can't remember 
making her predictions contributed to her being so distraught during 
that scene?
The possibilities if I go down that road are endless, so I won't.  
Please let me know what you think about all this, if I'm just crazy 
or if it's all made uneasy sense for you.  I'd love to know what you 
think.  Until then, lots of love Suze. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx






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