Dumbledore's integrity (was Prophecy problems)
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Sep 1 21:31:13 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 79457
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Kirstini"
<kirst_inn at y...> wrote:
>The fact that Sirius describes Harry as "the last of the Potters"
suggests to me that he has some sort of information about the
bloodline of the family and its importance to Voldemort that
Harry and the reader still don't. And would Order member Sirius
really have kept this information from his boss? If we can
assume that DD has this information, and Harry doesn't, then
it's not to big a step to get to the assumption that he *hasn't*
told
him everything. <
Just because Sirius thinks Harry's descent is important to
Voldemort doesn't mean that Dumbledore thinks it is.
Dumbledore, in fact, specifically dismissed the importance of
Harry's bloodline to Voldemort; he says that even though
Neville's lineage is purer, Voldemort picked Harry as his equal.
If Dumbledore believes what he says, that Voldemort chose to
go after Harry because of his Muggleborn mother, then Harry's
wizarding ancestry *is * irrelevant. Harry could be descended
from Merlin himself and Dumbledore still wouldn't be keeping
back anything that he thinks is instrumental to Harry's
understanding his position vis a vis Voldemort.
As far as Dumbledore the manipulator, one of his titles is
Supreme Mugwump. I came across a description of the
historical Mugwumps today. They were "New England reformers
who had no political base and shrank from direct political
combat." This, I think, is how we are meant to regard
Dumbledore.
Dumbledore is not trying to build the Order into a political force
(this is what Umbridge cannot understand) and therefore does
not try to usurp control from the Ministry. Rather he wishes to
see that the Ministry officials make decisions based on
good information rather than Malfoy's lies or Fudge's denials.
In the same way, Dumbledore does not want to usurp control of
Harry's life, he wants to empower Harry to make good decisions.
His mistake was to persuade himself that Harry would not need
to make decisions about his own destiny for a long time yet, and
so did not need to know about the Prophecy, or about the full
implications of the connection to Voldemort.
IMO, Dumbledore always expected he would have a chance to
teach Harry Occlumency before Voldemort's return, while
Voldemort was still too weak to penetrate Harry's mind unless
he was at close range. At that point , it would have become safe
for Dumbledore to reveal the entire prophecy without risk that
Voldemort would glean it from Harry's mind. The flaw in the plan
was that Dumbledore could not bring himself to make Harry
deal with the knowledge that he, Harry, carried part of Voldemort
inside him.
Pippin
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