Sirius and Dumbledore (Was: Pensieves objectivity & Dumbledore's integrity)

[elizabeth1603]

No: HPFGUIDX 79766

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "curly_of_oster" <lkadlec at p...> 
wrote:
> Okay, let me try to get these quotes at least close to correct <g>:
> 
> Pippin:
> There is this feeling on the list that Sirius ended up at the 
> Department of Mysteries because he was so stir-crazy with 
> being taunted and cooped up at Grimmauld Place that he 
> suicidally disregarded the danger he would face. That is illogical. 
> Sirius understood the danger well enough, otherwise he 
> wouldn't have wanted to rescue Harry in the first place. 
> 
> Abigail: 
> I completely agree, Pippin, and this actually ties in to something 
> that I've been thinking about for a while.  There seems to be a 
> consensus on the group that Sirius is dead because Dumbledore forced 
> him to stay at Grimmauld place.  Nothing could be further from the 
> truth.  
> 
> This is the tragedy of Sirius' death.
> 
> Susan:
> Personally, I feel Sirius died because he was Sirius.  He cared 
> deeply for Harry.  In GOF he came out of hiding to hide in Hogsmeade 
> to be closer to Harry.  He showed up at the TWT as a dog to see 
> Harry.  In OOP he went to Kings Cross as the dog to be with Harry.  
> He shows up in the fireplace to talk to Harry.  I follows his 
> personality to run out of Grimauld Place to try to help Harry.  No, 
> he was not happy in Grimauld Place at all but I don't think it would 
> have mattered where he was, if he knew what was going on he would 
> have gone to the MOM to help Harry.
> Just my take on Sirius.
> 
> Now me (Lisa):
> Thank you, Susan, for a nice post.  Personally, I think that there 
> are actually two issues here, one being why Sirius rushed to the 
> Ministry (and, in the end, to his death), and the other being 
> Dumbledore's understanding (or lack thereof) of Sirius (and Harry) 
> and his treatment of them in OOP.  I don't think that they're 
> necessarily that closely related, and neither have I gotten the 
> impression that there is a consensus on the list that they are 
> clearly causally related.

Sirius loved Harry and wanted to 
> protect him, and I find it hard to believe that he could be 
> convinced to sit around and wait while Harry was in grave danger.  
> 
> Lisa

Now Me:

Sirius was in no greater danger than anyone else at the Department of 
Mysteries. He didn't die because he left the house and wasn't supposed to. 
The reason he was not supposed to leave the house was that he could be 
captured at any moment by a Minestry official, but he wasn't captured by a 
Minestry official. He died in a duel with a death eater, and it could have 
happened to anyone else there. Sirius didn't die because Dumbledore 
wouldn't let him get any air. He died because Bellatrix out-dueled him.

Elli