Legilimency, Occlumency, Snape, Harry

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 80147

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at w...> wrote:

> 
> Steve bboy_mn wrote 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/79939 in: 
> 
> << Let's look at what Legilimency really is in a practical sense. As 
> far as I can see, it is hardly more than a highly accurate form of 
> intuition. Voldemort or Dumbledore have a strong ituitive sense of 
> when someone is lying based on subtle interpretations of their 
> thoughts, emotions, and demeanor. Snape said it himself, that 
> Legilimency is not 'mind reading' as the mind is not something which 
> can be read; >>

> Catlady:
> 
> I always get a (nasty) laugh from Snape saying that Legilimency is 
> not mind reading. ... Legi- means 'read' as in 'legible' and -Mency 
> means 'mind' as in 'mental'. Anyhow, Snape watching Harry's memories
> like they were movies is a great deal more than your suggestion of 
> some highly insightful observation of 'body language' to tell when a
>  person is lying.

bboy_mn:

For details, see my published works...
"Legilimens!" Spell & Gift
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/72153

Legilimency takes two forms in the book. One is the gift or skill of
Legilimency and the other is the Legilimens charm.

It speculate that the Legilimens charm simply causes a cascade of
random memories to flash before the caster and his victum's eyes. I
could give you some interesting insight, but it's pretty random,
subject to interpretation, and not too good for determining specific
real-time immediate thoughts and intent.

The gift or skill of Legilimens, on the other hand, is as deep strong
psychic intuitive sense of a persons feelings, thoughts, and emotions
at the moment. If they are lying, you pick up on the sense of
insecurity, guilt, and worry that are in their mind, and the
associated feelings of fear in their emotions. 

Legilimency as a gift is a form of Divination or a psychic skill; in a
sense, the person with this gift is an intuitive Seer.

As a side note, there are all kinds of psychic Seers. Most Psychics
are intuitive psychics; they sense things. Others are visionary
Psychic; they divine through psychic visions. Still other's like
Trelawney are trance psychics. And of course, many other forms. 

So being an intuitive senser or seer is a valid form of psychic
ability, and this is how I see Legilimency.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn